LG OLED C9 as a PC monitor - Yes, I'm crazy, Yes time to get some burn in.

[aoaaron]

If it's Chrome make sure you exit all instances. You might have that background Chrome thing running (little Chrome icon near the clock) so even if your close Chrome it won't apply.

Did a restart. Still not working. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. This is meant to eliminat the scroll bar right?


clicked google chrome - open file location - right clicked on chrome -> properties, -> shortcut -> went to target: changed it to the following:

Tartget: "E:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --enable-features=OverlayScrollba

 

[aoaaron]

Printed a few of these off and have them dotted about the place, also have remixed a version without screw and use VHB.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3547336

Holds the remote quite secure and save knocking off desk etc.


@aoaaron Any luck with that browser thing?

Haha nope sadly I've given up. Maybe my windows is just weird.

 

[aoaaron]

I’m still waiting for the 77” to drop to £3.5k as the C8 did. I must admit it’s not looking likely though it’s been even cheaper in Europe.

Me too. Exactly the same position. I fear it won't even hit £4k.

I don't know which TV I'll get if the 77'' panel doesn't hit 4k as the 75'' LCD panels are lacking important features and still command decent price tags. Might just end up sitting tight and dealing with my tiny 65'' TV which looks smaller by the day.

Can't even upgrade projector as ideally I want Epson's successor to the 9400 which doesn't look likely to be released this year.

 

[aoaaron]

I've been watching this thread for some time and just purchased a 65" C9, and i'm so happy with it, i was initially torn between the Sammy Q90R and the C9 , but after seeing them side by side , playing the same 4k source (stupid shop mode off) the difference was night and day , the Q90's image looked noisy compared to the C9's and that sealed the deal for me. I'll add my own thoughts in the coming days as i've yet to play with any of the settings but even on the default eco mode its stunning .

my LG OLED revolution continues.

I'm sure I'll become the number 1 assasination target of all monitor manufacturers soon

 

[aoaaron]

I have been using the 55c9 as my monitor for a while, and I dont know why I didnt do it sooner, it`s just miles beyond anything monitors offer at the moment, and for 900€ it`s not that expensive either.
Other than the few small issues, like not having a wallpaper and keeping an eye on turning off the screen via voice command, or setting up your turn off monitor setting to something short, I would reccomend this to everyone.
It gets even better once the hdmi2.1 cards will arrive. It`s about 120-140cm away from me behind my desk and even 1440p is not an issue in games it`s awesome. Blacks are black not some grey mess, there is no bleeding like ips and VA panels have. Like that wasnt enough, you also get Gsync + HDR. I started another playthrough of the witcher3 and this game has never looked so good, all the games are something special again. And the size is just great even coming from 35" ultrawide this is just something else, ofcourse the 65&77 are better but didnt fit in my small budget.

Yup!

I had a few naysayers on other forums when I first started reccommending it... its a different class of experience.

fingers crossed 77'' gets a 1.5k price drop lol

 

[aoaaron]

Right got the 48inch on order from MarksE - will give you guys a review when it lands.

It's already dropped £100 under RRP - will probably be around 1k by BF but have been waiting 24 months for a new monitor so meh.

Got it for 1100£ less than the best in class pc monitor (rog-swift-pg35vq) - have no idea why prices have not dropped to reflect that the arse is about to get blasted out of the FALD market by desktop OLED.

** question for you guys, understand i need a video wallpaper - but I can't seem to find anything on Deskscapes in the correct resolution, what are you guys using?

which monitor are u coming from?

i can predict/guess ur review of it lol

 

[aoaaron]

Up from a Samsung CF791 (which was a completely underwhelming upgrade from a Samsung S34E790C).

I've got a c9 77inch as my living room TV so can do a comparison of new features too.

Oh god!! can you please tell me more about the 77'' C9? whats ur seating distance? I'm planning to buy one for a 2.6M seating distance. do u think it will give a cinematic enough experience for that seating distance?

man u have the mother ship of all TVs....!!!!

 

[aoaaron]

I've been agonizing over weather to get an LG OLED or a CRG9 for weeks now. A quick question if anyone knows. Does the LG B9 55" have the same capability to set the aspect ration to 21:9 like the OP mentioned with the C9?

I had both and I'd edge towards the B9.

You can set the aspect ratio to whatever you want (the GPU scales it). You can adjust the height to more or less. I always found the CRG9 felt too short and obviously you can't change that.


CRG9 positives
+Burn in resistant
+Curved screen
+Freesync
+Looks nicer on a desk
+Can sit closer to it

B9 positives
+Everything else

 

[aoaaron]

It doesn’t look like the 77” C9 will be dropping to C8 price level of last year in the Uk. Maddening considering how cheap they were in Europe months ago.

Yup. I'm just going to end up buying the CX 77'' at launch for 4999.

Might do the GX because I have a projector which im scared might hit he CX as it sticks out a bit but we'll see. dont really wanna spend an extra 1000 just for a thinner wall mount and no stand.

 

[aoaaron]

Agreed, don't think 2.0b has the bandwidth to push it any more but am just curious if it can.

If you want high refresh rate, you'll have to 1440p/120hz. HDMI 2.1 cards will allow it.

 

[aoaaron]

My biting biting is still £3500. Though with what’s happening around the World I’m more inclined to wait until the dust has settled.

Yup smart move. I need a new tv sadly

 

[aoaaron]

I would love to use OLED for productivity and gaming, but I am afraid of a burn in my productivity time.
Unfortunately, my productivity is mainly Slack and several browser windows which means that the static windows would definitely burn in – sooner or later.
I was thinking how to overcome this and I have an idea which could greatly minimize burn in for productivity.
TVs usually try to avoid burn in with so called "pixel shift" (the whole picture moves few pixels up/down/left/right from time to time).

I call my idea "super pixel shift with reduced resolution".

Example:
The full 4k resolution has 3840x2160 pixels.
Run a smaller Windows desktop slightly lower resolution like 3640x1960 pixels (300 pixels less in every axis). The smaller desktop would be displayed at 100% (pixel by pixel, no scaling)

The smaller desktop slowly moves on a TV screen like an “Arkanoid ball”. If this is slow enough it would not be distracting (something like 1 pixel every 10 minutes).

Advantages:
1] A burn in would probably still happen to some degree, but it would be distributed to larger portions of a screen
2] people complain that 55” is too big for desktop – this would make desktop smaller

Disadvantages:
3] Full resolution is not used
4] Desktop moves on the screen (it would not be centered on the screen most of the time)
5] I am not aware of any tool which could do this but I think it should not be overly complicated to develop one.

Do you know someone who can help with point 5? In a perfect world a TV itself could do such thing but I think we will never force LG to implement this. Changing TV's firmware can be probably quite complicated but I believe that there is a way to force windows (drivers) to do this with relatively simple script/tool.

What do you think?

So if you're using an OLED screen for productivity and want to reduce the odds of burn in, (productivity is not my suggested use), you just use custom resolutions periodically to switch between them.

So for example, have a month using 3840x2160, then a month using 3840x1940, then a month using 3840x1800.

Theoretically the static elements should all shift to different parts of the screen which should in turn reduce the likelyhood of burn in dramatically as rather than those static elements occupying the same part of the screen for 3 months straight, they'd only occupy it for 1 month during a 3month period. That means a 66% reduction in times those pixels are on a static element.

You can do this with Custom Resolution switcher which you can download. Its really quick and easy way to switch resolutions.

Another thing you can do is lower the OLED light. try lowering it to 15-20 (I honestly find this absolutely fine for SDR content in a dimly lit room.. still brigher than my plasma and reduces eye strain for such a huge screen).

If you're doing productivity work which doesn't involve colour, you can also just hotkey windows black and white mode for those odd instances although I haven't heard of any data supporting black and white leaves OLEDs completely immunse to burn in.



I believe I touched on this in one of my old very long very disorganised guides/posts about hwo to use a burn in but yes, you're basically making the 55'' screen being a bit too big work to your advantage for negation of burn in via custom resolutioning.

 

[aoaaron]

£350/400ish total realistically? X34A is getting on a bit now, and guessing the Phillips is 4/5yrs old now. Not too bad considering the B9 can be had for just under 1k atm (was £2500 on release).

Wow.. wonder how much an AW3418DW goes for. I have one in my box room gathering dust

 

[aoaaron]

So the 2019 range do 48Gbps but their 2020 lineup only does 40? Weird. I guess it does not matter as both panels are 10bit from what I understand and only 12bit would push for the full 48Gbps.

Is that not just pure speculation and not even remotely related?

LG confirmed it.

I don't think it matters as the panel is a 10bit panel the most it can display is 10bit which is 40gbps.

 

[aoaaron]

@aoaaron My reply was to the message I quoted, we know LG confirmed it but the person was suggesting that the 40gbps would case problems. That’s pure speculation.

there is literally no point of implementing anything better than 40gbps if the panel it’s driving can’t utilise it.

It’s not like you’ll see 44gbps on a C9 because it can’t display 12bit colour. Very few people will realistically be able to tell the difference unless they are side by side pixel peeping.

I agree.

Panel as its absolutely maximum performance can do:
4K
HDR
120HZ
10bit

To do 4K HDR 120hz 10bit = 40gbps.

I see no reason why people would need more. Maybe if they want to supersample 8k down to 4k.. lol.... at which point why dont they just play the game at 4k/120hz.

 

[aoaaron]

nothing stopping you supersampling on device and outputting at the correct resolution.

That said at 4K 120hz I doubt you’ll be able to do that with anything other than old/esports titles where there is little point in doing so.

True!

 

[aoaaron]

Just got the replasement for the faulty one finaly. Been playing around with it and just wow, im totaly in love. It's even better then I could ever dreamed of. So I say as the rest of you: Once Oled Allways OLED - their is no way going back. Just to good to be true in every aspect really. So happy

But guys, im wondering about some settings. If using the Pc input, many options for movies are blacked out. If using e.x game console I got all picture options. Same for you ?
Btw, I use Kodi from my pc. And I also have to disable instant game mode everytime watching movies as it kicks in. Anyway around it and how do you have it set up?

Yup. every PC monitor looks like a piece of trash now.
I still do like the 32:9 aspect ratio though. If they ever do an OLED of that.. wow...
I had to quit desk gaming because of OLED.

 

[aoaaron]

I'd definitely edge still towards the CX. Better motion and image quality, coupled with one more years of LG support, the newer panel, freesync premium and the ability to do 4:2:0 4k/120hz over HDMI 2.0b. Its the extra years worth of support which I think is quite important.

C9 is great as it has DTS and the 12-bit capable HDMI ports. But lets be honest, DTS is making those people who pirate films, download MKVs, put them on a USB stick and cry. Most video-philes or home theatre enthusiasts will have an AVR and if you have a half decent PC, which all of us on this forum do, we'll use MPC + MADVR to further refine and improve PQ of our content and not use the player.

If both were the same price, I'd personally still recommend the better motion and PQ of the CX.

I think the fact they're holding their value slightly is annoying for those who normally time the market for buying TVs. I for example was hoping to grab a 77'' LG OLED C9 for £3500.. but it never came anywhere near down to that price. It actually finished this year at £4999 and I think £4599 at Costco for a short time period (without burn in warranty).

FYI I own both.

 

[aoaaron]

Me neither TBH but as they’ve stopped manufacturing them it’s either that or the almost identical but more costly CX models.

It was the additional insurance that swung it for me. I’d say you can’t put a price on peace of mind but JL have for £140 for 5 years.

Great choice. I think for PC gamers like us, JL are the only choice for LG OLEDs.

For the first time ever, we can actually have a wallpaper on our OLED TVs now.

 

[aoaaron]

Yep, first OLED and first GSync, looking forward to it.

Got SW Fallen Order and AC Origins that I’ve put off playing until it turns up.

You're just going to be shocked that you had an LCD for this long.

Its like leaping forwards 10 generations.