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Light Bulb Ban Fail
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I'd like to hear the names of these manufacturers to be honest. There is no set standard for a cfl bulb and my first bulb was a cheap one foor £120 from QD, this I bought about 4 years ago and is in the spare bedroom. This was made by a company called "Oasis". who the heck are they? No wonder this bulb makes a buzzing sound.
A lot of manufacturers over price the bulbs and then the customer can spend over £5.00 on a bulb and because it's made from a random generic company it's poorley made.
On the over hand General Electric is bad too. Cheaply priced but they run on the assumption that even if it lasts a matter of months, in comparison to an incan' you would have saved money on the cost of running. so you go back to the supermarket and get another, who cares they're cheap.
A little proxy....
An incan' at work costs 85p for two single year bulbs, so lets say 42.5p for one and lets have the span.
incan' - 42.5p for 6 months
cfl - 35p for 5 years
42.5 x 10 to get the same length = £4.20
now I think that's a good relative, and I'm not taking in to consideration for cost of use which I've only just got up. I think at work it's 12p KW/h, this math mind be a little off.
12p for 1000watts of electricity usage / 12watts for cfl 60w bulb =
too hard for me at mo, simplify it to 1.2p for 100watts
100 / 12 = 8.3 (this is working out use to the bulb an hour)
1.2p / 8.3 = 0.15 pence an hour x 5000 hours = 750p
so on the basis of the above for a 60w cfl bulb that lasts 5 years it'll cost you £7.50 + the 35p you spend on it = £7.85
now for the easier incan'
100 / 60 = 1.6 (this is working out use to the bulb an hour)
1.2p / 1.6 = 0.75 pence an hour x 500 hours = 375p
£3.75 times 10 (equivilant lifespan) = £37.50 + £4.20 (the cost of those bulbs) = £41.70
CFL cost for electrity per bulb for 50% of it's suggested lifespan - £7.50
incandescent light bulbs to the equivlant lifespan equals - £41.70
because I kept the ratio's the same if the bulbs lasted for what they say, (1 year for an incan' and 10 years for CFL) the figures are just double £15 versus £83.40
REMEMBER: This was based on only light fitting using a 60watt bulb
A lot of manufacturers over price the bulbs and then the customer can spend over £5.00 on a bulb and because it's made from a random generic company it's poorley made.
On the over hand General Electric is bad too. Cheaply priced but they run on the assumption that even if it lasts a matter of months, in comparison to an incan' you would have saved money on the cost of running. so you go back to the supermarket and get another, who cares they're cheap.
A little proxy....
An incan' at work costs 85p for two single year bulbs, so lets say 42.5p for one and lets have the span.
incan' - 42.5p for 6 months
cfl - 35p for 5 years
42.5 x 10 to get the same length = £4.20
now I think that's a good relative, and I'm not taking in to consideration for cost of use which I've only just got up. I think at work it's 12p KW/h, this math mind be a little off.
12p for 1000watts of electricity usage / 12watts for cfl 60w bulb =
too hard for me at mo, simplify it to 1.2p for 100watts
100 / 12 = 8.3 (this is working out use to the bulb an hour)
1.2p / 8.3 = 0.15 pence an hour x 5000 hours = 750p
so on the basis of the above for a 60w cfl bulb that lasts 5 years it'll cost you £7.50 + the 35p you spend on it = £7.85
now for the easier incan'
100 / 60 = 1.6 (this is working out use to the bulb an hour)
1.2p / 1.6 = 0.75 pence an hour x 500 hours = 375p
£3.75 times 10 (equivilant lifespan) = £37.50 + £4.20 (the cost of those bulbs) = £41.70
CFL cost for electrity per bulb for 50% of it's suggested lifespan - £7.50
incandescent light bulbs to the equivlant lifespan equals - £41.70
because I kept the ratio's the same if the bulbs lasted for what they say, (1 year for an incan' and 10 years for CFL) the figures are just double £15 versus £83.40
REMEMBER: This was based on only light fitting using a 60watt bulb
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LOL you lot need to get a grip - they're light bulbs - try not to get so stressed!
Buzzing, inferior light... I don't know which bulbs you lot have been using but I installed mine over a year ago - not one has failed, not one buzzes, not one puts out 'inferior light' and considering I have 5 20W (100W equivilent) bulbs in the centre of my living room I have right there saved myself 1/5th of the power being used...
What is this rubbish about the bulbs offsetting your heating? You're still using power to heat the house and I'd suggest that your gas heating is both cheaper and more efficiant than using 'light bulbs' (?!?!?!?) to heat!
Lets look at some observations when it comes to both incandecant bulbs and energy savers:
- Energy saving bulbs use 5x less energy than an every day lightbulb.
- They last a projected 15,000 hours which is on average the equivilent of 15 normal incandecant bulbs.
- Each energy saving bulb costs around £1-£3 each
- Each 100W lightbulb costs (on the generous side) 35p each.
- 15 of the 100W bulbs cost £5.25 +- a couple of quid.
- over the lifetime (15,000hrs) of the single bulb it is estimated that it would save you £131 in power costs.
- As has been pointed out when it comes to the mercury content in the energy saving bulbs the Lighting Industry Federation (LIF) has reported that the extra quantity of mercury emissions from burning fossil fuels in power stations to power incandescent lamps is three times the amount contained in equivalent energy efficient lamps.
- The mercury contained in the energy saving lamps can be collected and disposed of safely whereas the crap coming out of the power stations powering the incandecent bulbs you love so much is not.
- Regarding the ridiculous claim of the bulbs heating your house and being a better option than using your gas heating... it has been shown that using gas heating to replace the heat generated by incandescent light bulbs would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 60%, and cut the cost of this share of household heating by 84%.
-Added to the above point over 60% of the energy contained in coal and gas is lost simply generating and distributing electricity. It's a non sensical argument.
Your arguments don't stand to reason - they're not well thought out and I honestly think that your only issue is that you don't like being told what to do - similar to smokers who know it's stupid to smoke, they know it's killing them and the people around them and yet they persist in doing it because they feel it's their right to have the choice... moronic is what it is...
Buzzing, inferior light... I don't know which bulbs you lot have been using but I installed mine over a year ago - not one has failed, not one buzzes, not one puts out 'inferior light' and considering I have 5 20W (100W equivilent) bulbs in the centre of my living room I have right there saved myself 1/5th of the power being used...
What is this rubbish about the bulbs offsetting your heating? You're still using power to heat the house and I'd suggest that your gas heating is both cheaper and more efficiant than using 'light bulbs' (?!?!?!?) to heat!
Lets look at some observations when it comes to both incandecant bulbs and energy savers:
- Energy saving bulbs use 5x less energy than an every day lightbulb.
- They last a projected 15,000 hours which is on average the equivilent of 15 normal incandecant bulbs.
- Each energy saving bulb costs around £1-£3 each
- Each 100W lightbulb costs (on the generous side) 35p each.
- 15 of the 100W bulbs cost £5.25 +- a couple of quid.
- over the lifetime (15,000hrs) of the single bulb it is estimated that it would save you £131 in power costs.
- As has been pointed out when it comes to the mercury content in the energy saving bulbs the Lighting Industry Federation (LIF) has reported that the extra quantity of mercury emissions from burning fossil fuels in power stations to power incandescent lamps is three times the amount contained in equivalent energy efficient lamps.
- The mercury contained in the energy saving lamps can be collected and disposed of safely whereas the crap coming out of the power stations powering the incandecent bulbs you love so much is not.
- Regarding the ridiculous claim of the bulbs heating your house and being a better option than using your gas heating... it has been shown that using gas heating to replace the heat generated by incandescent light bulbs would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 60%, and cut the cost of this share of household heating by 84%.
-Added to the above point over 60% of the energy contained in coal and gas is lost simply generating and distributing electricity. It's a non sensical argument.
Your arguments don't stand to reason - they're not well thought out and I honestly think that your only issue is that you don't like being told what to do - similar to smokers who know it's stupid to smoke, they know it's killing them and the people around them and yet they persist in doing it because they feel it's their right to have the choice... moronic is what it is...
Please find me dimmable ones that cheap...
(as you may or may not know, regular energy saving bulbs do not work properly with a dimmer switch)
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The dimmable ones are what - £10? They're still going to save you money in the long run... Still seems like a no brainer to me.
Can someone with some experience of them tell me if I get these £10 dimmable versions, do they get to their full brightness in a few seconds?
The last thing I want to do is come into a room, set the brightness, and then 30 seconds later have to go back to the switch to lower them...
No one has mentioned power factor, most CFLs are pretty terrible and as they gain more widespread use this is going to cause problems with electricity distribution.
I started using CFLs several years ago apart from a couple of rooms with dimmers. even the ones that tend to rarely get switched on/off such as the landing and hallway light I find I don't get anything like the claimed lifespan from these lamps before they fail. I've used Philips and Osram and GE FWIW.
I started using CFLs several years ago apart from a couple of rooms with dimmers. even the ones that tend to rarely get switched on/off such as the landing and hallway light I find I don't get anything like the claimed lifespan from these lamps before they fail. I've used Philips and Osram and GE FWIW.
Who sells them? I went to B&Q a few weks back and had a look for dimmable CFL's and found nothing.
Huh?
how else am i supposed to light my house without 100w bulbs? are we going back to candles again? Whats happening with progress?
Energy saver bulbs are rubbish, no way near bright enough, don't work with dimmers and the light is the wrong color, not to mention they stick further out of the fitting.
So i guess i better stock up on light bulbs from France then?
Energy saver bulbs are rubbish, no way near bright enough, don't work with dimmers and the light is the wrong color, not to mention they stick further out of the fitting.
So i guess i better stock up on light bulbs from France then?
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Google it... They are sold all over the place. Sainsburies, Waitrose any number of places.
how else am i supposed to light my house without 100w bulbs? are we going back to candles again? Whats happening with progress?
Energy saver bulbs are rubbish, no way near bright enough, don't work with dimmers and the light is the wrong color, not to mention they stick further out of the fitting.
So i guess i better stock up on light bulbs from France then?
And the award for today's 'toys out of the cot' post goes to...
Seriously, your points vary between poor to just plain wrong.
Light house without 100W bulbs? Use 100W energy savers! - FAIL
No progress? Similar light for less power! - FAIL
No way near bright enough? Ummm, they are! - FAIL
Don't work on dimmers? They do! - FAIL
Light is the wrong colour? Yes it is! - FAIL
Stick out further? There are ones that do not! - FAIL
Buy 100W bulbs from France? They won't have them either! - FAIL
TOTAL FAIL!!
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Ah well I guess we'd all just better sit down and give up. Our lives are over, we're heading back into the dark ages... They've taken away our light bulbs...
It's an EU regulation, the last time I checked France was still a memberSo i guess i better stock up on light bulbs from France then?
Light house without 100W bulbs? Use 100W energy savers! - FAIL
they claim to be equal to 100W but they are far from it
No progress? Similar light for less power! - FAIL
"similar light" yeh darker light for less power... Fail indeed.
No way near bright enough? Ummm, they are! - FAIL
see first point.
Don't work on dimmers? They do! - FAIL
only special ones that cost like £10+
Light is the wrong colour? Yes it is! - FAIL
So your agreeing me me but then saying Fail? the light is blue and cold.
Stick out further? There are ones that do not! - FAIL
Majority are massive. Fail indeed.
Buy 100W bulbs from France? They won't have them either! - FAIL
Sorry i just thought it was another Nazi law brought in by Labour, didn't realise it was the Nazi's in Brussels. Damn I wish Germany had won sometimes.
Light house without 100W bulbs? Use 100W energy savers! - FAIL
they claim to be equal to 100W but they are far from it
Get a 125W one then? FAIL
No progress? Similar light for less power! - FAIL
"similar light" yeh darker light for less power... Fail indeed.
They use less than 25% of the power. So yes, FAIL indeed.
No way near bright enough? Ummm, they are! - FAIL
see first point.
See my last point. FAIL
Don't work on dimmers? They do! - FAIL
only special ones that cost like £10+
Yep! But will most likely pay for themselves. FAIL
Light is the wrong colour? Yes it is! - FAIL
the light is blue and cold.
LOL! FAIL
Stick out further? There are ones that do not! - FAIL
Majority are massive. Fail indeed.
Some are bigger, some are not. Buy the ones you need. So yes, FAIL indeed
they claim to be equal to 100W but they are far from it
Get a 125W one then? FAIL
No progress? Similar light for less power! - FAIL
"similar light" yeh darker light for less power... Fail indeed.
They use less than 25% of the power. So yes, FAIL indeed.
No way near bright enough? Ummm, they are! - FAIL
see first point.
See my last point. FAIL
Don't work on dimmers? They do! - FAIL
only special ones that cost like £10+
Yep! But will most likely pay for themselves. FAIL
Light is the wrong colour? Yes it is! - FAIL
the light is blue and cold.
LOL! FAIL
Stick out further? There are ones that do not! - FAIL
Majority are massive. Fail indeed.
Some are bigger, some are not. Buy the ones you need. So yes, FAIL indeed
After how many years?
And can you guarantee it won't fail before it pays for itself?
And still take longer to warm up, and give a poorer quality of light.