Lightroom and Photoshop subscription now available to all

I rather get CC, if the price hikes up to ridiculous level then look elsewhere. What is the point of worrying about something that may or may not happen for at least a year? or even 5 years? Even at £20 a month sub I think it is about the right price so for like £8 it really is a no brainer. To worry about they might have you by the balls, well, you can worry about at lot of things and at the end of the day, no one forces you to continue with the sub if and when they charges £1,000,000 a month. You simply say no, take your money elsewhere. To say no at £8 a month and worry about later is moot, no point.

I bought Lightroom so I never stumped up £600 a year, or even £100, Lightroom is £70 on Amazon.

You don't see the problem in having your licence revoked?

It's a bit difficult to work when the software you use to work is taken away from you...

I like the security of knowing that my software will work well indefinitely and not be taken away from me at a critical time, like when I'm in the middle of doing work for a client.

I know we'll never get official figures on it but I'd bet money that CC has saved people money who kept on the latest versions of Master Collection, and convinced people who used to pirate it to go legit.

And it's also caused people who previously bought lightroom to now pirate it so it's swings and roundabouts really.
 
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I bought Lightroom so I never stumped up £600 a year, or even £100, Lightroom is £70 on Amazon.

You don't see the problem in having your licence revoked?

It's a bit difficult to work when the software you use to work is taken away from you...

I like the security of knowing that my software will work well indefinitely and not be taken away from me at a critical time, like when I'm in the middle of doing work for a client.
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I have a receipt for LR4 for £103.88 on release. LR5 was £53 as an upgrade.

£600 is for Photoshop. i.e.

http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-...se-extension&gclid=civt8nd4jrscfwytwwodhegajw

Thus £700.

As for not letting they take away the software away from you. Why would it? In what circumstances would you:-

1 - Not afford to pay £10 a month sub
2 - Not be online for 30 days (or 90 days)

Either way, you should know ahead of time, and in those times, pick option 3 in my previous post - choose another alternative or go back to what you are using right now.

I see the problem of having my licence revoked, but I don't see that as an immediate possibility that comes with zero warning. I can see that you want the software but you are protesting against their business model by not signing up, in the process possibly doing your work/your business harm by using older and inferior software when now there is a good value way of purchasing it.

On a side note, the subscription also now removes the possibility of people pirating where as the old way it didn't so if you were one of those who have always purchased it in the past, this is great. But if you have never purchased photoshop before now probably feels this is terrible because you no longer can get your hands on it. I guess that is one of the idea behind Adobe's business model, stop piracy and get a constant stream of income from its customers.

Well it is up to you, you have 1 more day to decide whether signing up is worth it for you, whether you think this protesting by absence is hurting them enough to make them change the way they are doing their business. I sincerely doubt it though, it makes people who have pirate copies in the past sign up and removes pirate copies in the future in 1 move.
 
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I have a receipt for LR4 for £103.88 on release. LR5 was £53 as an upgrade.

£600 is for Photoshop. i.e.

http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-...se-extension&gclid=civt8nd4jrscfwytwwodhegajw

Thus £700.

The fact you were ripped off is kind of irrelevant, it's £70 on Amazon.

As for not letting they take away the software away from you. Why would it? In what circumstances would you:-

1 - Not afford to pay £10 a month sub
2 - Not be online for 30 days (or 90 days)

Either way, you should know ahead of time, and in those times, pick option 3 in my previous post - choose another alternative or go back to what you are using right now.

I see the problem of having my licence revoked, but I don't see that as an immediate possibility that comes with zero warning. I can see that you want the software but you are protesting against their business model by not signing up, in the process possibly doing your work/your business harm by using older and inferior software when now there is a good value way of purchasing it.
As I've been saying all along, the price will increase, it's naive to think otherwise, so it won't be £10 a month. Last time I was on holiday I wasn't online for over a month, why does that matter though, have
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put some nefarious code in their software that revokes the license after not signing in for a few weeks? I'm not particularly bothered about LR5 because it doesn't really offer me anything above version 4.

On a side note, the subscription also now removes the possibility of people pirating where as the old way it didn't so if you were one of those who have always purchased it in the past, this is great. But if you have never purchased photoshop before now probably feels this is terrible because you no longer can get your hands on it. I guess that is one of the idea behind Adobe's business model, stop piracy and get a constant stream of income from its customers.
Actually the subscription software has already been pirated, I don't know why you would think subscription software can't be pirated, it happens all the time. And I'll simply resort to that if there is no option to buy the software normally as I have been doing these past few years, so they will have ironically turned a paying customer into one who pirates their software, congrats!
 
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It's £70 on Amazon for a full one 6 months after I paid £53 for it. I am not sure why you think that is a ripoff when I paid £103 back in March 2012.

You keep on protesting, clearly you are not going to sign up and you have made that perfectly clear. I am not naive to think the price will never go up, I am saying cross that bridge when I come to it. Why?


I have made the above sentence bigger for some people's benefit. ;)

Because I am not signed up for life.
Because I don't waste time worrying about something that may or may not happen.

I've said already, you have chosen not to sign up when the price is good, you are basically getting PS for £26 for the year (using your LR5 for £79). Even if you only sign up for 12 months, it is a good deal, who cares whatever happens in 366 days from now.

Worry about that then.
 
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On a side note, the subscription also now removes the possibility of people pirating where as the old way it didn't so if you were one of those who have always purchased it in the past, this is great. But if you have never purchased photoshop before now probably feels this is terrible because you no longer can get your hands on it. I guess that is one of the idea behind Adobe's business model, stop piracy and get a constant stream of income from its customers.

Well it is up to you, you have 1 more day to decide whether signing up is worth it for you, whether you think this protesting by absence is hurting them enough to make them change the way they are doing their business. I sincerely doubt it though, it makes people who have pirate copies in the past sign up and removes pirate copies in the future in 1 move.

Raymond firstly CC is just as pirated as other versions, not sure where you are getting you're info from.
Secondly, Adobe has stated the move to CC is not to prevent piracy (which is just as well).
Thirdly, if you think piracy has done Adobe any harm you are sorely mistaken. In fact it's due to piracy that adobe has a monopoly over practically the entire creative industry. Competition can't compete with free, and once those pirates actually begin work in the industry, they then end up buying into Adobes monopoly. Without competition Adobe charges what it likes, and it does. Only Lightroom is sensibly priced to Adobes credit.
Fourthly. If you think this new business model is about features you are sorely mistaken. All corporate monopolies leverage their monopoly for financial gain (they abuse their power). Adobe are not stupid unlike allot of their customers. They will offer extra features blah blah to get them signed up. They will offer them attractive pricing and extend upgrade options again and again for people who have previously purchased a perpetual license, hell this offer is only available right now because adobe under estimated the backlash from photographers etc. so they are giving them deals they 'can't refuse'.
The irony is once people have signed up, new features will be few are far between. When Adobe no longer need to entice people to upgrade with new features they will have zero incentive to spend on R&D. R&D won't ever be popular with 'the board' as it reduces profit, although their accountants will overstate R&D expenditure. Hence ironically new features will be few and far between. Only competition can prod Adobe to pull it's finger out of it's backside at this point but which it can't do due to piracy.
Fifthly. Once Adobe has got everyone locked in with it's roach motel strategy, rest assured it will jack up the price. You WILL be paying more than you were with perpetual licenses. Just use another company you say? what about all the money you have invested with 3rd party software that's only compatible with Adobe products and thus there is now no alternative. What about all the countless hours and money you have invested training to use adobe products. What about all the dead money you have wasted on renting the software and now have nothing to show for it. Seriously can't believe people can't see this coming...
 
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Sixthly, please use paragraphs :p

I said before like 3 times, so I'll say it the 4th or 5th time.

Don't subscribe if and when it costs too much. It clearly isn't at the moment.

What is so difficult to understand? You think this silent protesting is going to do anything? Really?

I can see the price rise coming, but why are you worrying about it coming? You think it will stop them by not subscribing? You think it would be good to stay with something old? You think it is good to continue to pirate it? You think it makes you clever by pointing it out?

What benefit is there to not subscribing? They have the monopoly, they always have had the monopoly.

Apart from pirating, which is NOTHING new there.

In essence, people who are not subscribing are worried they'll get locked in when they put the price up.

1 - you are not locked in, you are as locked in as you are now. If it is as pirated as it is now, go pirate it then?
2 - you are worrying about something that doesn't exist today, with the freedom for it not to be a problem if and when it comes. So, why are you worrying?
 
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Don't subscribe if and when it costs too much. It clearly isn't at the moment.

By this time it will likely be too late. Adobe will find a way to make previous versions of CS(X) obsolete. Adobe has already been flirting with this principal with not updating camera raw to work with new cameras for previous versions of lightroom etc. Sure they tell you to use DNG converter. Why? They want you locked into DNG's. What happens when they discontinue development of DNG converter etc. etc.
 
By this time it will likely be too late. Adobe will find a way to make previous versions of CS(X) obsolete. Adobe has already been flirting with this principal with not updating camera raw to work with new cameras for previous versions of lightroom etc. Sure they tell you to use DNG converter. Why? They want you locked into DNG's. What happens when they discontinue development of DNG converter etc. etc.

So you are basing this on guess work?

How exactly are they going to lock you in? You keep saying this phrase, locked in. What is stopping you to upload your photos to Aperture and Elements or Gimp then?

Nothing.
 
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I signed up last night. Its costing me £7.14 per month Inc Vat which is £5.95 after I've claimed the VAT back.

£5.95 per month or 19p per day.

At that price I coudn't even be arsed to pirate.

They could double it to 38p per day and I'll still pay it.

Sounds a little like trying to stick it to the man.. When the man is actually offering a pretty good deal.

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By this time it will likely be too late. Adobe will find a way to make previous versions of CS(X) obsolete. Adobe has already been flirting with this principal with not updating camera raw to work with new cameras for previous versions of lightroom etc. Sure they tell you to use DNG converter. Why? They want you locked into DNG's. What happens when they discontinue development of DNG converter etc. etc.

It has always been the Adobe model for camera RAW to only support current releases. You could get away with using a release candidate but they expire.

I have zero issues with the subscription software model, I've been paying it for other professional software for years.
 
On the one hand i can see this curbing piracy, as people who are just starting out are more likely to pay a lower fee as and when they need it, as opposed to huge fees for a licence.

However, i personally dislike renting software and like to own what i've paid for..
 
What is so difficult to understand? You think this silent protesting is going to do anything? Really?

No one is "silent protesting", they are simply voting with their feet.


2 - you are worrying about something that doesn't exist today, with the freedom for it not to be a problem if and when it comes. So, why are you worrying?

Prudence is important for businesses, last thing you want is to have your entire operating processes changed because you have been forced to switch to another software package.
 
Sounds a little like trying to stick it to the man.. When the man is actually offering a pretty good deal.

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Yeh. They are offering a good deal. Adobe are doing this for a reason though, and that's to charge it's customers more. People can physically afford to pay more if they spread the cost over small chunks.
If you think adobe will stop at double the price, we'l see. I looking forward to seeing what their pricing is in 2 or 3 years.
 
Only as long as DNG converter is supported. If I upgrade to new camera's then I'm SOL when lightroom is subscription only.

Lightroom will have the traditional license "indefinitely"... so it'll probably change tomorrow!

You still have an upgrade path, if you only wanted LR then the sub deal isn't great granted. It's great for LR and PS though.

Apple need to look at Aperture again, but it doesn't look like they are pursuing that dev path at the moment?

Capture One might be worth looking at?
 
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Yeh. They are offering a good deal. Adobe are doing this for a reason though, and that's to charge it's customers more. People can physically afford to pay more if they spread the cost over small chunks.
If you think adobe will stop at double the price, we'l see. I looking forward to seeing what their pricing is in 2 or 3 years.

The current price for Photoshop CS6 is £650.

PS CC is currently being given away at £20 (if you buy LR annually, after taking into account LR 4 for £100 and LR5 for £50, so averages out £75 per year for the past 2 years).

That is more than 30 times cheaper per year. 30 times. compare to the retail licence of PS CS6. Of course, you have it forever but 30 times is 30 years' worth, in software terms, it might as well be forever.

Now, of course if you don't need PS then even £1 is £1 too much. But if you need photoshop, which I know you do, with your fake tilt/shift effect and your storyboard action, then you surely it is a bargain of an offer, and even if they hike up the price 5 times the amount you are still well better off than if you had purchased a single licence.*

So, the thinking that if/when they hike up the price. I am sure it will but we don't know when, we don't know by how much and right now it is a great deal.

*Someone is going to argue they don't purchased PS annually but even in that argument, it would take them 30 years to break even (6 years even if Adobe hike up the price to £100 per year for PS alone). So you can either stick with CS6 for 5 years for £650, or get the latest release every year for £100 (given a stupid rise amount to satisfy some people).

Of course, you can just pirate it all. But then again, we don't do that ;) At least not when it's a business, you can claim it as an expense anyway.
 
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Lightroom will have the traditional license "indefinitely"... so it'll probably change tomorrow!

You still have an upgrade path, if you only wanted LR then the sub deal isn't great granted. It's great for LR and PS though.

Apple need to look at Aperture again, but it doesn't look like they are pursuing that dev path at the moment?

Capture One might be worth looking at?

Capture One is excellent. I prefer it over Lightroom actually.

As for the subscription model, I've been using CC for almost two years now. Typekit integration is so worth it, I no longer have to pay hundreds just to get a quality font. We'll see if Adobe decide to jack up the price, but they will seriously alienate a huge portion of their userbase if they do so: other creatives like designers, illustrators, animators, and layout artists make up a far larger portion of the market than photographers - they're a market where a full price CC sub actually is good value. Adobe actually listened to photographers by doing this PS+LR bundle, so I doubt they'll try to turn off a much larger portion of their potential market by screwing them over on monthly fees. They get enough bad press as it is.
 
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