Lily Allen: "History is racist"

LabR@t said:
Speak for yourself, I am proud of our old empire and all the good it have the human race.
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Are you sure you’re not just proud of what your idea of the British Empire is? Is it an area that you’ve studied past what appears in the curriculum? This is a genuine question btw, not a set up for anything.
 
Personally I find it best to have a rather dispassionate view of a countries history...

Collective, inter-generational pride goes along with collective inter-generational shame.

I don't feel its appropriate to feeel ashamed or be held in any way culpable for the actions of others before my birth. For the same reasons I don't think one should show too much pride in others actions where a person cannot claim to have had some direct involvement.

That being said I do think that a sense of national unity is a useful thing if kept relatively in check and that such an idea requires some reference to a nations past.

I think that a dispassionate analysis of the British empire would show that despite its size it was one of histories less malevolent empires and that although some terrible things happened under its rule (not always the result of an intentional policy or decision) that there were /are some positive aspects for the subjects and their descendants (not that this was often the intended outcome of the decision(s) that lead to these effects).
 
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The world was a very different place before colonialism. Peoples of all colours living side by side in peace and unity. A rainbow people, at one with nature, singing Kumbaya, riding their unicorns naked through the forest, only stopping to take a drink from the chocolate waterfall. Then whitey came along. :mad:

The truth is the whole of human history is made up of warring tribes conquering, killing, & colonising each other. The only difference between us and the rest is we were top of the food chain, and they’re still narked because we kicked their arse and took their stuff.
 
Caged said:
Are you sure you’re not just proud of what your idea of the British Empire is? Is it an area that you’ve studied past what appears in the curriculum? This is a genuine question btw, not a set up for anything.
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curriculum is not something I have had anything to do with for a very long time, so it's mostly from my interpretation of what I have read, watched and learnt over the last 40+ years.

I imagine anyone schooled recently will have been indoctrinated into all the evils of the British.
 
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Orionaut said:
Haven't read whole thread but.

The actual subject of the OP is dripping with irony. Because....

The Zulu were colonising Empire builders too!
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And Africans themselves were selling their own people as slaves. Even after Britain banned slave trading. But I guess we just ignore that bit.
 
Nasher said:
And Africans themselves were selling their own people as slaves. Even after Britain banned slave trading. But I guess we just ignore that bit.
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It doesn't play into the white men are oppressive and racist and the west is the most horrible place on Earth narrative of the international socialists who seek to tear it down.
 
mmj_uk said:
It doesn't play into the white men are oppressive and racist and the west is the most horrible place on Earth narrative of the international socialists who seek to tear it down.
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As i have said before, Slavery has been a constant in civilisation since civilisation was invented.

The wages of defeat was always slavery or death. What makes the last 150 years or so unusual is actually that slavery has fallen out of fashion (For the time being)

My feeling is that the lack of slavery in the modern world is less to do with social justice and more to do with the fact that the development of the steam engine (And later the internal combustion engine) devalued human muscle power to the point where it no longer had significant economic value and the development of the industrial economy meant that it became easier to exploit the working classes through wages and indebtedness than through chattlehood.

The Greens need to be careful what they wish for. I can easily envisage a world where, should Oil, say, go up to $1000/Bbl and stay there, then slavery would become acceptable once more.
 
I don't mean to be sexist, but it is mostly women that come out with this stuff.

It's like Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Madonna, and a few others. They go really off at the deepend. I guess we can only hope she finds a good guy with some sense that they will get married and she'll eventually realise what an idiot she's been.

I think people like her complain because its projection of her own unhappiness.

I feel bad for her father. She's even publically attacked him before.
 
I think it's sad that it occurs to no one that Lilly Allen started to become far more vocal about these ridiculous left wing views after her music career began to flag...badly. This behaviour is common amongst public figures who need to stoke controversy to get themselves in to the public eye and is advised often time by agents and management.

She hasn't been relevant for years and, for the most part, was a one-album-wonder (Her last album sold less then 20,000 copies in the UK). You only need to read some of the lyrics for "Nan-you're a window shopper" to see what a truly poorly educated chav she really is (along with her father).

She's always been more popular in France and these views play well over there despite the fact that the French empire was just as bad if not worse.

She'll fade into obscurity or worse she'll end up equivalent to the likes of Rose McGowan - pretending that her new role is a defender of rights and liberty rather than admitting it's the only way they can have any kind of purpose now they don't have the career they actually wanted.
 
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