Liverpool Takeover Thread

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Its not a 'default' as such, but the owners will be breaking an agreement on 'Payments In Kind'. Portsmouth were issued a winding up order because they could not afford to pay the bills.

Liverpool can pay the bills plus the massive interest payments so certainly won't get a winding up order. If not sold by October then RBS will start reviewing the bids and make their recommendations. These recommendations will be made using strong arm tactics (ie accept this bid or else :)) instead of their advisory role at the minute.
 
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RBS is owned by the taxpayer rather than privately owned - Im just wondering if that part of the bank ownership means anything if Liverpool/G&H default

(I have read that it wouldnt be classed as administration - which seems reasonable under current rules and regs - but there do seem to be differing reports out there so hard to know whats true)
 
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If it isnt sold by Christmas then [Scottish] im gonna go to Hicks place and punch him in the face![/Scottish]

Sorry, shameless Warcraft reference :<
 
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Keith Harris, the guy who keeps saying deals for Liverpool and/or Utd shouldn't be done in the media, is talking to the media again :o
 
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hehe just read that article and had exactly the same thought. I was slightly disappointed he didn't have an amusing sobriquet for the 'mystery' bidder this time...we've had the "Man in the Sand", how's about "The Man in the Smog/The Man Who Eats Dogs/The Chink on the Brink"? :D
 
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Its just lies anyway, he just likes to pretend he's important everytime a club pops up needing to be sold.

to be fair - from what I understand he IS pretty important in the City / very well respected

The last bid he was involved with wasnt a success by any means - but not sure if that affected his rep at all
 
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He was 'involved' in the City deal, not the key man but involved.
And has since been 'involved' in numerous fail stories involving united, liverpool, everton and afaik is partly responsible for the mess Portsmouth ended up in.

His company is pretty important, but hes just a loud-mouth who thinks hes the bees-knees.
 
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The Chink on the Brink

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October 6. Put this date in your diary. It is the day when the very destiny of Liverpool Football Club will be decided.

If that sounds dramatic, then it is meant to be so, because on that day there is a real danger that one of the most famous and historic clubs in world football could be brought to its knees.

Let me say now, that Liverpool are actually a well-run, well managed club, which, even with its current commercial performance and before stadium development, could be among the most profitable in the English game.

They are broke though, for one very good reason: The burden of acquisition interest that is place directly on the club. Or in simple terms for those who prefer their information in English, Liverpool are paying millions every month for the dubious pleasure of Tom Hicks and George Gillett owning them.

If that is allowed to continue, if Tom Hicks and George Gillett are allowed to continue with their ownership under its current format, then it spells disaster for Liverpool. It could even see them go bust.

It really could happen. Hicks and Gillett want to sell their ‘soccer franchise’, but they also want to make a profit out of it. Indeed, they want – and need – to make a big profit.

At the moment it is clear there are no takers at their asking price. Rather than sell, they are now desperately trying to refinance to ensure they can hold on to the business until they CAN sell it at their valuation.

But to do that, they will probably have to borrow even more money at even higher rates, and use the club’s assets to underwrite those loans. And we all know what that means. If you don’t, just ask Portsmouth or Leeds fans.

So October 6 becomes vitally important. That is the date that the Americans’ current lenders, the Royal Bank of Scotland, have set for repayment of loans totalling around £285million at the last count.

By then, the Yanks must have either sold Liverpool, or raised the funds to replace that existing debt with new debt. Or – and here is an intriguing third possibility – have persuaded the RBS to extend those loans once more.

Every single Liverpool fan the world over now recognises the danger of that happening, because it will merely extend an essentially unsustainable financial structure at Anfield. It will merely extend the threat of the club collapsing.

Even the much-maligned board at Anfield recognises it. Apparently, Chairman Martin Broughton and MD Christian Purslow, along with commercial director Ian Ayre, have already resisted one attempt by the Americans to use the club’s assets against new loans.

They know Liverpool could well be doomed if the Yanks hold on to power, and they seem to understand that the best interests of the club certainly aren’t served by that nightmare scenario.

I say seem to understand, because Broughton seems to have decided that the fans don’t deserve any information about what the hell is going on through the Merseyside media. He seems only to be prepared to talk to obscure business sources.

Purslow too, seems to have gone into hiding, bizarrely breaking off all contact with the fans, through the media, for the past six months. Attempts to ask him questions – as fans on a popular Liverpool website have tried to do recently – are met with silence, as are all interview requests.

But credit to them both and to Ayre, there is no question they are trying to resist the Americans’ attempts to retain control. For all the criticism aimed their way, much of it justified, they are trying to do what the fans so desperately want. They are trying to do the right thing, and fans shouldn’t forget that.

Without wishing to be too pessimistic though, there are no guarantees they will succeed. Already there are rumours of a legal challenge to the three directors blocking the two Americans on the board.

And who amongst us doesn’t believe that after decades of the most cunning business dealings that have made them both billionaires, that Gillett and Hicks aren’t stealthy enough to somehow pull off their latest despicable plan.

They are ruthless enough, after a combined ten decades in the leveraged buy-out business, that is for sure. Don’t think for one second they are going to roll over and simply accept that Liverpool will be taken from them and sold at a loss.

Which is why October 6 is so important. Let’s get real again here for a second. The RBS are making millions of pounds of profit from Liverpool, who so far have had no trouble at all meeting the repayments. In that sense, it is a gilt-edged investment for them.

So they will be reluctant to let it go easily, and still – possibly – open to persuasion from the Americans to extend, if yet more guarantees are proferred.

Other banks may well feel the same, that there is easy, unrisky profit to be made from extending credit to Hicks and Gillett, because the club will meet the liability. And that is the true danger to Liverpool as a storied club.

It is where the fans must come in, because it is down to them to stop either the RBS or any other bank perpetuating the current nightmare that has engulfed Anfield and threatened its very future.

Supporters are already responding in their thousands. I have highlighted here before the work of Kopfaithful, who are actively campaigning to ensure the RBS realise the risks of a massive backlash if they are to extend the Americans’ loans.

They have an intelligent, well-organised campaign which has spoken to MPs in the House of Commons, to major financial institutions in the UK and to major media outlets in the U.S., explaining the feelings of millions of worried Liverpool supporters.

They discovered that the Americans have approached at least 10 different institutions for refinance funding, and are now fervently trying to block that possibility, by orchestrating an email campaign to the likes of the Wall St Journal and NYTimes.

They are also making it clear to the RBS that there will be massive opposition if they don’t act in the best interests of Liverpool fans. The bank’s HQ in Edinburgh will allow access to vistors as part of an open house scheme on September 25, and guess who plans to be there?!

Kopfaithful want to talk to RBS Chief Executive Stephen Hester, to make clear the opposition to the Americans.

They are backed by several fans’ groups too, who are all aware of the dangers facing Liverpool right now. Influential websites such as Red and White Kop and You’ll Never Walk Alone are meeting along with several others this very evening, to discuss tactics. They are planning protests that will highlight the depth of feeling, and the potential power of such a massive body of committed support.

And that’s where you can help if you are a true Liverpool fan. October 6 is D-Day, and the more supporters make clear their opposition to any institution offering finance to the Americans, the less chance of it happening.

Back Kopfaithful, back Red and White Kop, back all the other fans’ groups who love Liverpool and are desperate to save the club. Do it calmly, nicely, but back them.

There is a chance that the Americans’ plans to refinance can be blocked, and if that happens, then there is a real chance the RBS can assume temporary control as they seek to sell the club to a responsible buyer.

If that can happen, then Liverpool can be great again. They already make an operating profit because they are operating efficiently without the Americans’ debt.

Without ownership debt on the club they can build a new stadium and turn profits – which can be invested in playing assets – that will make most Premiership MDs’ eyes water. So it is D-Day at Anfield on October 6, and you, the fan, can have a massive say in what happens.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opi...s-and-Gillett-ruining-club-article575201.html
 
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Oh god it's a Scouse DM..

At least I make several points, from start to where ever I gave up that article says, bank loans due early October, something has to happen by then, theres only 3 possibilities, this has been known for about a year..........

They'll have no problem securing new loans if thats what they want. As was suggested, banks don't mind lending out 280mil, if they'll get paid 2mil a month in interest and whenever the club gets sold, get 280mil back aswell, + a few for paying off the loan in one go probably.

This is where RBS can't "screw" Liverpool too badly and why the idea of the chinese bloke forcing a buyout after buying their debt because he'd have unlimited power, rubbish, 20 banks would be happy to lend the money and have the debt go on indefinately at a couple mil a month and the odd penalty payout aswell here and there. Its an incredibly profitable debt for any bank to have. IF RBS say, well we'll let you extend the loan, but at 10% higher interest rate, a half dozen banks will off the same deal, but with 7% extra interest, and another 5 banks will offer the same deal but at 3% extra interest, etc, etc, etc. Theres a HUGE amount of profit in debt, and banks live off debt and are very very happy when people are hugely in debt with them.

This was the biggest issue, Liverpool fans and truly stupid sports journalists who didn't bother asking their finance guys, all thinking banks want the end of the debt asap, thats the worst outcome for the bank out of any scenario.
 
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At least I make several points, from start to where ever I gave up that article says, bank loans due early October, something has to happen by then, theres only 3 possibilities, this has been known for about a year..........

They'll have no problem securing new loans if thats what they want. As was suggested, banks don't mind lending out 280mil, if they'll get paid 2mil a month in interest and whenever the club gets sold, get 280mil back aswell, + a few for paying off the loan in one go probably.

This is where RBS can't "screw" Liverpool too badly and why the idea of the chinese bloke forcing a buyout after buying their debt because he'd have unlimited power, rubbish, 20 banks would be happy to lend the money and have the debt go on indefinately at a couple mil a month and the odd penalty payout aswell here and there. Its an incredibly profitable debt for any bank to have. IF RBS say, well we'll let you extend the loan, but at 10% higher interest rate, a half dozen banks will off the same deal, but with 7% extra interest, and another 5 banks will offer the same deal but at 3% extra interest, etc, etc, etc. Theres a HUGE amount of profit in debt, and banks live off debt and are very very happy when people are hugely in debt with them.

This was the biggest issue, Liverpool fans and truly stupid sports journalists who didn't bother asking their finance guys, all thinking banks want the end of the debt asap, thats the worst outcome for the bank out of any scenario.

no the worst outcome would be if they extend the loan, liverpool end up being relegated and turn into something worse than what happened to leeds.
 
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Tom Hicks and George Gillett's ill-starred reign as owners of Liverpool looks like having less than a month to run after the club's loans with Royal Bank of Scotland were placed into its toxic-assets division.

The deadline for the refinancing of the owners' personal loans from RBS is 6 October, and that now looks set to be the date that Hicks and Gillett's association with England's most successful club will end. The bank's decision to switch the debts to its Global Restructuring Group is the strongest possible signal that these loans will not be extended.

The co-owners' previous attempt to refinance the debts in June, when they are believed to have offered to secure the loans against their US assets, was overruled by the club's board, led by the chairman, Martin Broughton. Now, with the loans having been shifted into RBS's so-called "bad bank", where all toxic assets have been housed since last year, it is clear the club's lender has also adopted a more steely stance towards the Americans.

One source with a knowledge of Liverpool's dealings with RBS said: "If it has been taken out of the hands of the corporate banking department they'll have a much more ruthless approach on 6 October." An informed view from another source close to the situation is that the bank would hope to sell the club, possibly at a knockdown price, in the coming weeks or as soon possible after 6 October.

According to the club's accounts to July 2009 Liverpool's owners owe £237.4m to RBS. Through a variety of companies in the UK and overseas, Hicks and Gillett are also personally exposed to tens of millions of pounds in other commitments to the club and its lender. These have been in the form of a mixture of cash, which the pair have injected through equity, and guarantees to the RBS loans. Last year's accounts stated this combination amounted to £145.3m, although it is believed to have risen dramatically after the last refinancing agreed five months ago.

RBS would hope to achieve an orderly sale without having to take control of Liverpool. However, depending on the terms of the April refinancing agreement – which have never been made public – that may prove difficult if the co-owners, who value the club at £800m, refuse to go quietly.

One tool at RBS's disposal is to force the insolvency of Liverpool's UK parent and associated companies. It is clear from mortgage documents lodged with Companies House that in the event of default RBS has the power to place Kop Football and Kop Football (Holdings), as well as Gillett's loan-security vehicle, Football UK Ltd, into administration. However that would be unpalatable for the bank, Liverpool's board and the Premier League since it would require the imposition of a nine-point penalty on the club.

By exercising those clauses the bank would also effectively take control of Liverpool. Although RBS's restructuring group describes itself as being responsible for "the management of any problem lending portfolios", the bank has no long-term plans to hold the club as its subsidiary. Instead it is expected RBS would prefer to fulfil another of its stated aims – the "maximising [of] debt recoveries" – by selling the club in short order.

That means there are also strong signs RBS will now be prepared to accept a knockdown price in order to cut its ties. During negotiations with prospective buyers Broughton, and the investment bank advising him, Barclays Capital, have maintained that Liverpool's debts with RBS must be paid in full as a minimum sale price.

Provided buyers still retain an interest in taking over Liverpool beyond 6 October, it will mean a more orderly sale process. There would be only one party for purchasers to negotiate with and the club would be debt free.

The departure of Hicks and Gillett is an outcome that would delight Liverpool fans. The Kop Faithful group wrote in an open letter to the RBS group's chief executive, Stephen Hester, this week: "Hicks and Gillett were proved to be no more than a pair of liars. The promised 'no Glazer style buy out' was all of a sudden [a leveraged buy out] – a club £350m in debt to effectively buy itself, when it had been sold for less than £180m in what seemed no time before."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/09/rbs-tom-hicks-george-gillett-sell-liverpool
 
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