so if it was 2 mins to an important train, is there any reason you spent that short time trying to pull doors off, phoning, and talking to gardeners, instead of the just swearing and running for the train? sounds like that would have made you late due to your own poor decision?
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thread reminds me of this story..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-426184685&reply=426184685#comment-426184685
TL;DR
Man gets locked out of apartment compound by new security gate, has hissy fit, tries to climb over gate and falls injuring himself.
Now he reckons, the injuries he sustained are all everybody elses fault.
Yes. It is a frustrating situation and shouldn't have happened.
But the choice to climb the fence and the consequences of his attempting to do so are entirely down to him. I wouldn't award him any compo for that and i really hope the courts dont either.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-426184685&reply=426184685#comment-426184685
TL;DR
Man gets locked out of apartment compound by new security gate, has hissy fit, tries to climb over gate and falls injuring himself.
Now he reckons, the injuries he sustained are all everybody elses fault.
Yes. It is a frustrating situation and shouldn't have happened.
But the choice to climb the fence and the consequences of his attempting to do so are entirely down to him. I wouldn't award him any compo for that and i really hope the courts dont either.
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Great thread. It reminds me of when people post videos on YouTube of themselves raging at a business thinking they are in the right all while making a complete *** of themselves
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I guess that explains why some cyclists jump traffic lights and ride on the pavement then?
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What is this logic?
YOU ripped the door off
YOU need the pay for it.
Given you rent, you might want to wind it in a bit because this would be grounds to kick you out as far as most landlords are concerrned.
I'd say your liable for damages. Whether it's criminal damage is another matter. I personally don't think it is, you can't get arrested but they might take you to small claims court to get the money if you refused.
Find out your bike is locked up - if you break off the door now you're liable
Make reasonable effort to contact owner and get no response - if you break off the door now you're NOT liable
Get extra information about gaining access - if you break off the door now you're liable
Problem is that last bit where someone came and gave you more information. If you'd just broken the door off quickly THEN someone walked by and told you "hey, I've got a key for that" I'd have been on your side.
Almost identical thing happened to me in my old flat. Factors changed the lock on the car park gate without telling anyone... Queue of people standing around the gate trying to work out the code at 8am before the Factor office was open (so weren't answering the phone). I had about 20 witnesses to me breaking off the lock with a pry bar and damaging the gate and I even emailed the Factor telling them this. They chased me for money to fix, I told them where to stuff it, threatened with small claims court to recoup costs but never went anywhere. I always assumed it was because I was super awesome, but more likely it because I pointed out that they admitted it was their mistake in the email chain.
I'd suggest you try the same. Get them to admit fault (by not issuing keys) and try and make clear that your actions were reasonable. Although, like I say, how you argue that in light of the fact that someone said "hey, wait a minute, I'll get a key" I've no idea.
Find out your bike is locked up - if you break off the door now you're liable
Make reasonable effort to contact owner and get no response - if you break off the door now you're NOT liable
Get extra information about gaining access - if you break off the door now you're liable
Problem is that last bit where someone came and gave you more information. If you'd just broken the door off quickly THEN someone walked by and told you "hey, I've got a key for that" I'd have been on your side.
Almost identical thing happened to me in my old flat. Factors changed the lock on the car park gate without telling anyone... Queue of people standing around the gate trying to work out the code at 8am before the Factor office was open (so weren't answering the phone). I had about 20 witnesses to me breaking off the lock with a pry bar and damaging the gate and I even emailed the Factor telling them this. They chased me for money to fix, I told them where to stuff it, threatened with small claims court to recoup costs but never went anywhere. I always assumed it was because I was super awesome, but more likely it because I pointed out that they admitted it was their mistake in the email chain.
I'd suggest you try the same. Get them to admit fault (by not issuing keys) and try and make clear that your actions were reasonable. Although, like I say, how you argue that in light of the fact that someone said "hey, wait a minute, I'll get a key" I've no idea.
It's his naptime. Toddlers usually need a nap after a temper tantrum.
This is the funniest thread in a while, OP has clearly not got the answer and back up he was looking for and abandoned the thread.
I'm fairly sure if your train was due in 2 minutes that you wouldn't have enough time to cycle to the station and then secure your bike at the station.
I'm fairly sure if your train was due in 2 minutes that you wouldn't have enough time to cycle to the station and then secure your bike at the station.
Yep, it’ll either say this, or won’t mention the shed at all. Either way, it’s not going to say, feel free to rip the doors off.
Awaiting the OP's next post: "just been handed a £10k bill to replace all the other residents' bikes after they were stolen because the shed had no door" 
Sorry OP, but the correct course of action here would have been to arrange alternative transport (e.g. Taxi) and bill the management company for it (or if they play silly buggers then take it out of the management fees I assume you pay)
If the train really was 2 minutes away then you almost certainly could have just run to the station in the time it would take you to get your bike out of the shed, cycle to the station and lock up the bike again
Sorry OP, but the correct course of action here would have been to arrange alternative transport (e.g. Taxi) and bill the management company for it (or if they play silly buggers then take it out of the management fees I assume you pay)
If the train really was 2 minutes away then you almost certainly could have just run to the station in the time it would take you to get your bike out of the shed, cycle to the station and lock up the bike again
Until this moment you were right. Then someone turned up and offered to go get a key. Instead you rip the door off anyway.
There is the obvious implication that you've now proved the bikes weren't safe anyway. That aside you caused criminal damage for no good reason. So yes you should pay for it. You should also apologise to the guy who's evening you ruined by making him stay late.
I get that you were angry and rightly so. However you've completed undermined yourself and tbh made yourself look an idiot in the bargain.
The landlord may have committed the tort of "conversion" I.e. prevented you accessing your own property (the bike) but you can't then break down the door, yourself committing both a civil and criminal offence, and justify it with "but that guy committed a civil wrong first".
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