London Bridge Incident

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:32

Robbo said:
When there are members of the public around, you can't just fire blindly. I understand what you are saying but it's never quite that simple.

why would they need to fire blindly?

the police responded excellently and well withing any capability one could ask of their training

but they where never at any severe risk looking at that video.

random football fan or dude who thought bouncer was being attacked though where sales above them in terms of vulnerability and courage.

itys just 3 men with knives from a vehicle, with assault weaponry, hollow points and stab proof vests.

tyhwy where safe it would have taken unusual circumstances for any officer involved in that vid to be hurt.

Robbo · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:34

Tefal said:
why would they need to fire blindly?

When exiting the vehicle they have a split second to decide who to shoot, in that time they have people rushing them with knives with bomb vests strapped to them.

JohnnyG · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:35

Tefal said:
i understand that but given the 8 min response time i am not sure the "canisters" where reported.

after all suicide bombers would not scare everyone way with knives.

theyd do as they did in the past and dress as police/military to draw crowds of panicked survivors to them.y

Whether they were reported or not they seem to be very conspicuous and I doubt they thought they were abs trainers.

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:36

Robbo said:
When exiting the vehicle they have a split second to decide who to shoot, in that time they have people rushing them with knives with bomb vests strapped to them.

they had several seconds, or you know could have pulled up further away?

afgaiun not critsing the police. but i just feel members of the public outshone them here in terms of suicidal bravery

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:37

JohnnyG said:
Whether they were reported or not they seem to be very conspicuous and I doubt they thought they were abs trainers.

yetnon of the people who attacked them noticed them.

they all thoguht they where just violent ****s

in a moment you dont notice stuff like that, half the time if you're not expecting it i doubt you'd notice a knife in somones hand

Robbo · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:38

Tefal said:
they had several seconds, or you know could have pulled up further away?

afgaiun not critsing the police. but i just feel members of the public outshone them here in terms of suicidal bravery

Maybe they did, but the police still did a great job in a difficult situation, it's never quite as simple as you'd think.

Ayahuasca · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:38

Tefal said:
but i just feel members of the public outshone them here in terms of suicidal bravery

What does that even mean, is it now a contest of who doesn't mind dying more or something?

The officers put themselves in much closer proximity to the attackers before they opened fire.

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:40

Ayahuasca said:
What does that even mean, is it now a contest of who doesn't mind dying more or something?

The officers put themselves in much closer proximity to the attackers before they opened fire.

the officers who fired guns from several meters away put themselves in closer proximity than the unarmed unarmored people who tackled them physically?

i dont think thats true, purley on the stab wounds front do you?

Ayahuasca · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:41

Tefal said:
the officers who fired guns from several meters away put themselves in closer proximity than the unarmed unarmored people who tackled them physically?

i dont think thats true, purley on the stab wounds front do you?

I don't think you've watched the video

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:43

Robbo said:
Maybe they did, but the police still did a great job in a difficult situation, it's never quite as simple as you'd think.

oh of course the police didn a cracking job, seriously 8 minuits report to end is fantastic, short of a armed officer being there in person they couldnt have done better,

im just saying a trained, Armoured and armed force while brave doesnt come close to random unarmed guy inthe street deciding that running away is worse thjan dying.

cause a 12" kniofe is very likley to kill you no matter what.

you are not getting involved in a knife fight without gettting stabbed/cut thats it end off it WILL happen

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:45

Ayahuasca said:
I don't think you've watched the video

i did they pull up about 10m away, the suspects run towards them and they go down but they where shot fairly far away when it cvomes to a fully armored torso and a rifle.

officer would have had to have been over ran for it to be a major danger

Bassmansam · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:48

What would happen to you if you killed a terrorist whilst he was in action?

Tefal · 8 Jun 2017 at 09:51

Bassmansam said:
What would happen to you if you killed a terrorist whilst he was in action?

**** tone of poon based on martial arts guy who tackled these guys joining tinder

legally speaking self defense CPS would never bring the case ( assuming you killed him in a fight not a weird incapacitate/torture scenario)

Chris Wilson · 8 Jun 2017 at 10:49

Bassmansam said:
What would happen to you if you killed a terrorist whilst he was in action?

You'd be guaranteed a large number of liberally minded would question why you couldn't have talked him out of it or offered him counselling, and many here would probably try to marginalise you or suggest you had racist motives

RaohNS · 8 Jun 2017 at 10:58

Within reason my view now is:

Women and children run... Men group together and fight. If they have a bomb obviously don't and chances are you wouldn't know anyway.

To above, if you killed a terrorist you would face trial for murder with Khan retiring from politics to represent the deceased terrorist and trying stick you in a terror training camp *cough* I mean prison.

Oppose Islamic terrorism = racist

Freakbro · 8 Jun 2017 at 11:00

Chris Wilson said:
You'd be guaranteed a large number of liberally minded would question why you couldn't have talked him out of it or offered him counselling, and many here would probably try to marginalise you or suggest you had racist motives

You're such a bore

McGray · 8 Jun 2017 at 11:01

scorza · 8 Jun 2017 at 11:29

After the attack we saw a few former police officers come out and say that cuts to police numbers are affecting counter-terrorism (despite funding for counter-terrorism activities going up!). Yet if you say something nasty on social media for example then the police will be round to arrest you within hours - they therefore can't be that overstretched can they?

Ayahuasca · 8 Jun 2017 at 11:35

Are you proposing that everyone who posts something nasty on social media is being arrested? Also do you not think it's a far easier crime to arrest someone for in the first place, takes very little to identify a non-encrypted tweet from some loser on twitter. Doesn't exactly require an intelligence operation with months of work does it?

scorza · 8 Jun 2017 at 11:47

Ayahuasca said:
Are you proposing that everyone who posts something nasty on social media is being arrested? Also do you not think it's a far easier crime to arrest someone for in the first place, takes very little to identify a non-encrypted tweet from some loser on twitter. Doesn't exactly require an intelligence operation with months of work does it?

No I'm suggesting that the cuts in policing numbers has had no effect on counter-terror effectiveness, or if it has then the police have their priorities wrong.