London Bridge Incident

scorza said:
No I'm suggesting that the cuts in policing numbers has had no effect on counter-terror effectiveness, or if it has then the police have their priorities wrong.
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This is kind of the point though isn't it? After a certain level of funding reduction, when reasonable efficiencies have been achieved, the question becomes "Well what would you like us to stop doing?". Like it or not but trolling is high profile at the moment, therefore the Police react to political and public pressure by assigning resources, though I doubt in the scheme of things that the resources assigned to cyber bullying are that significant, during times of austerity that comes at a cost. One of those costs is undoubtedly Police on the ground, another comes in the form of high ranking officers within individual forces saying that they don't have the resources to investigate certain crimes effectively anymore.

In addition a terrorism response doesn't just rely on areas funded through anti-terrorism grants. It relies on front lines officers, it relies on first responders, it relies on having the resource available in the right place, reporting infrastructure, the ability to staff secondary services. You're over simplifying by suggesting all is well because more money has been allocated to counter terrorism.
 
scorza said:
Heard on the radio this morning that the Home Office is claiming that the flag put on one of the losers by Italian police was a criminal flag and not a terrorism one. I can't help thinking "So?" - a criminal flag should have been enough to have prevented his admission to the UK. We need to take back control of our borders folks.
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If you see some of the convictions I have to type up which are committed by foreign nationals who are wanting to stay or even visit the UK. You won't be surprised to know it would take something major for us to take notice. Sad but true.
 
What's sad about the millwall fan is that everyone ran off and left him. In a pub with pint glasses/chairs etc on hand you'd have thought that someone would have jumped in and nailed the terrorists over the head while they were attacking one single guy.

It makes me quite sad actually
 
The Running Man said:
What's sad about the millwall fan is that everyone ran off and left him. In a pub with pint glasses/chairs etc on hand you'd have thought that someone would have jumped in and nailed the terrorists over the head while they were attacking one single guy.

It makes me quite sad actually
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It the classic Hollywood film fight, where people go at the main person one at a time rather than pile on.

This was the result of the fake bomb vest I guess.
 
The Running Man said:
What's sad about the millwall fan is that everyone ran off and left him. In a pub with pint glasses/chairs etc on hand you'd have thought that someone would have jumped in and nailed the terrorists over the head while they were attacking one single guy.

It makes me quite sad actually
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It's not like the movies !
When you see someone running around with big **** off knife slashing everyone and anyone I think it's a fair response to run for your life.
btw, just like the majority of people there you would have run away terrified as well!
 
The Running Man said:
What's sad about the millwall fan is that everyone ran off and left him. In a pub with pint glasses/chairs etc on hand you'd have thought that someone would have jumped in and nailed the terrorists over the head while they were attacking one single guy.

It makes me quite sad actually
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What also made me sad was the footage from inside a pub/restaurant where the unarmed police officer told everyone to get down. You can hear one person say "****** Muslims", which prompts the person taking the video to admonish him for being racist. What sort of deranged mind is still primarily concerned about political correctness while they're facing their impending doom at the hands of a crazed loser?
 
scorza said:
What also made me sad was the footage from inside a pub/restaurant where the unarmed police officer told everyone to get down. You can hear one person say "****** Muslims", which prompts the person taking the video to admonish him for being racist. What sort of deranged mind is still primarily concerned about political correctness while they're facing their impending doom at the hands of a crazed loser?
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Who said that was his primary concern? Perhaps he is capable of holding multiple thoughts in his head at once like "Blimey, I better hide under this table" and "Blimey, that's a bit off colour."
 
scorza said:
What also made me sad was the footage from inside a pub/restaurant where the unarmed police officer told everyone to get down. You can hear one person say "****** Muslims", which prompts the person taking the video to admonish him for being racist. What sort of deranged mind is still primarily concerned about political correctness while they're facing their impending doom at the hands of a crazed loser?
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It's pathetic. Especially as they were Muslims who were running around stabbing people.
 
scorza said:
What also made me sad was the footage from inside a pub/restaurant where the unarmed police officer told everyone to get down. You can hear one person say "****** Muslims", which prompts the person taking the video to admonish him for being racist. What sort of deranged mind is still primarily concerned about political correctness while they're facing their impending doom at the hands of a crazed loser?
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Nah it's just a rather stupid thing to shout in that situation.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
It's not like the movies !
When you see someone running around with big **** off knife slashing everyone and anyone I think it's a fair response to run for your life.
btw, just like the majority of people there you would have run away terrified as well!
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It's true. You don't get time to think in these situations, which are completely alien to most people. It often takes several seconds for your brain to even comprehend what is actually happening. You freeze, stand and stair. When you finally except there is something seriously wrong, you run.

The videos I've seen of the police taking down the three terrorists, they were still aggressively attacking people even as the police approached with cars and guns. Your emotions, thoughts a reflexes are always going to be one step behind people who have spent days psyching themselves up, and readying themselves.

If the terrorist had been alone or had separated it could have been different. But taking down three guys with big knives would take a coordinated effort by many people which is very hard to organise in a panic.

The Millwall guy is/was either very brave, slightly deranged, drunk or all three. It doesn't make is actions any less admirable though.
 
RaohNS said:
To above, if you killed a terrorist you would face trial for murder with Khan retiring from politics to represent the deceased terrorist and trying stick you in a terror training camp *cough* I mean prison.

Oppose Islamic terrorism = racist
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That's a load of rubbish, anyone can use any level of force up to and including lethal to protect themselves or others, as long as it's "reasonable" under the circumstances.
This is exactly the same position as the police are in, with the exception that the police are legally allowed to carry what would normally be classed as offensive weapons to assist as it is recognised that they are expected to face situations where they'll need them to perform their duties on a regular basis.


The only people that others are calling racists are those who lump every muslim in with the terrorists, a lot of the people treating those injured will be Muslim, in other attacks it's been Muslims who have been involved in trying to stop the attackers or running in to help the injured whilst the risk is still high.
 
out oif curiosity when the hon ours are dioen this year will these men who put thier lives on the line be honoured do you think?

or will it just be another washed up crop of social media celebreties?
 
Well there have certainly been some genuinely worthy contenders for Honours this year, let's hope that they receive due recognition for some shows of remarkable selflessness. But given the very dubious qualifications of previous recipients I am not holding my breath.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Well there have certainly been some genuinely worthy contenders for Honours this year, let's hope that they receive due recognition for some shows of remarkable selflessness. But given the very dubious qualifications of previous recipients I am not holding my breath.
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a rare occasion where we regretfully agree i think Chris

for a knight of the uk id much rather a man who charges an enemy he does not know, to save othersw than some reality tv star
 
Chris Wilson said:
Well there have certainly been some genuinely worthy contenders for Honours this year, let's hope that they receive due recognition for some shows of remarkable selflessness. But given the very dubious qualifications of previous recipients I am not holding my breath.
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They might well be in line for a QGM much like that baggage guy from the Glasgow airport attack.
 
Tefal said:
a rare occasion where we regretfully agree i think Chris

for a knight of the uk id much rather a man who charges an enemy he does not know, to save others than some reality tv star
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Who'd have thought election day, of all days, would bring some bonding between us <LOL> ;)I won't kiss you as you probably won't like where my X is going :)
 
Chris Wilson said:
Who'd have thought election day, of all days, would bring some bonding between us <LOL> ;)I won't kiss you as you probably won't like where my X is going :)
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Heroes unite the most disparate of people.

Personally I see it as we have the countries best interests at heart simply different interpretations of the path there.
 
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