Exactly. we don't have Jewish, Buddhist, Hinduism or Christian terrorism on our shores. One faith is causing this, and it time to kick a bit of ass back. But if the people of the UK sit on their hands as they kill our children, what the **** can we do? How did we become so soft???
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Exactly. we don't have Jewish, Buddhist, Hinduism or Christian terrorism on our shores. One faith is causing this, and it time to kick a bit of ass back. But if the people of the UK sit on their hands as they kill our children, what the **** can we do? How did we become so soft???
You know all the attacks prevented, those generally happen to be 'known' to the police. There are too many extremist leaning people who expose extremist ideas but don't generally act upon them, those who do will act on a whim and there is little to prevent attacks that require little to no planning. (i.e using a car or knife)
Considering the terror threat level, our security services are doing an amazing job with the only major attack happening over 10 years after the last.
IF they do.The last attack seemed to turn people off May.
Why do you think "locking all of the nutters" up is going to resolve this?
I have looong suspected a couple on here, i was even banned for 6 months for voicing my opinon. The posting from a couple of members are what i would call extremest. But hey ho they always seem to get a free pass, pretty much like the real life ones in the UK.
Because the nutters won't be able to stab people? Do you even need to ask?? :/
Was musing over what can be done to prevent these sort of things happening. In 'reverse chronological order' in respect of when they can be applied (although the last three or so can all be applied together).
Police units / emergency response (responding to attack after it has happened).
Increased security patrolling streets and events to decentivise random attacks.
Counter terrorism intelligence (trying to identify radicalisation in advance of attacks).
Communities from which radicalisation spawns being vigilant against those who may be susceptible to it and working with counter terrorism intelligence.
All people showing care and tolerance of one another including to those communities from which radicalisation spawns - leading by example and showing these potential angry young men it's not 'us and them', just 'us'.
Having the job and education opportunities within our society that can provide an alternative to the attractions of dangerous cults.
Careful foreign policy. Ensuring our international military involvement doesn't provide room for extremism to cultivate.
That's about it. I encourage others to think about whether they are stoking flames by isolating an entire religious group for the actions of these angry young men. The responsibility ultimately lies with those individuals themselves but I think there is something we can all do, even at the most minor level, that could help prevent these attacks.
Police units / emergency response (responding to attack after it has happened).
Increased security patrolling streets and events to decentivise random attacks.
Counter terrorism intelligence (trying to identify radicalisation in advance of attacks).
Communities from which radicalisation spawns being vigilant against those who may be susceptible to it and working with counter terrorism intelligence.
All people showing care and tolerance of one another including to those communities from which radicalisation spawns - leading by example and showing these potential angry young men it's not 'us and them', just 'us'.
Having the job and education opportunities within our society that can provide an alternative to the attractions of dangerous cults.
Careful foreign policy. Ensuring our international military involvement doesn't provide room for extremism to cultivate.
That's about it. I encourage others to think about whether they are stoking flames by isolating an entire religious group for the actions of these angry young men. The responsibility ultimately lies with those individuals themselves but I think there is something we can all do, even at the most minor level, that could help prevent these attacks.
Rob, I know it's an emotive subject so tensions run high, but if it was so simple to stop by 'just rounding everyone up on a watch list' why doesn't our Govt do it?
Because it's not that simple. They don't have the man power, resources etc to do it or, and I know you will deride this point, the backing of the rule of law.
But I want to keep addressing this point you guys go on about about the population of this country doing nothing, or we're too soft. What are you expecting ordinary individual citizens to do? Since you are criticising them so much.
I mean, deuse has come closest to being honest about what he means, by equating the stopping of the IRA bombings in Birmingham because all the football hooligans (the real men) got together and smashed up the places the Irish community gathered together. Is this what you want us to do, get out on the streets and smash up the mosques, community centres and places of gatherings of muslims?
I mean, apart from hearing vague things about 'we (as individuals) must do something' like 'kick a bit of ass back' i'm just interested in the details of what you mean.
Those particular nutters yes, but what about the extremists that follow who aren't under surveillance and may be driven by seeing their people put in prison? It doesn't just stop by locking up known terror threats.
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Yea, like the services we get for free are actually secure.
The brain washing is at the root of it all, and that happens in homes, in schools and in mosques. It's time we started admitting that we allow it to flourish through tolerating it. They have been asked to police themselves and they have proved they cannot do it. We need to identify where the radicalisation and brain washing occurs, and we need to smash it. If that means closing down a mosque, then do it. If it means closing down a single faith school, then do it.
Removing our rights as human beings won't solve any of this.
I just don't think some people in here quite understand how difficult this problem is to resolve.
You know for certainty that none of them are?
Yea, like the services we get for free are actually secure.
You know for certainty that none of them are?
I'm not going to say much more, because this one feels real to me. I work 2 mins from were this happened and i go to borough market many weekends. So i'm highly charged right now. Thanks for understanding
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Who's ass would you suggest we kick?
A serious question. Just who and where and what would you do, right now, to prevent this form of radicalisation and terrorism being caused by British citizens?
That question to everyone in the thread. As I certainly don't know the answer.
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How many hours will we have to wait until the incident is swept under the rug, and the news stories are mostly on the #notallmuslims vibe?
Allowing people to believe in their magic god is not worth this.
Allowing people to believe in their magic god is not worth this.
All it will do is increase the rising numbers of radicals in our already Muslim dominated prison's. They are fast becoming a recruiting ground for extremists
says restricting freedoms en mass is not the answer and infact what the terrorists want
suggests massive stripping of freedoms and imprisoning tens of thousands of innocent people?
wut?
Oh don't worry, some point today the PM in front of number 10 will declare Islam is religion of peace and everything will be alright. Go back to your Sunday roast.