London Bridge Incident

Emlyn_Dewar said:
How many times does this have to happen before there's a change? As someone very anti-religion, the worlds stance on this is extremely frustrating.
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This is probably better discussed in another thread but instituting persecution of people for their religious beliefs or denying them the right to believe in a religion (however well intentioned your reasons may be) is unlikely ever to be a good idea and if you look to history it is at best a very temporary success. People don't just stop believing because you deny them the right to do so openly, it typically is done in secret and fosters greater divisions, greater resentment and causes more harm. Right to freedom of religion and belief is given in the UK by the Human Rights Act which implements the European Convention on Human Rights (specifically article 9) so denying people the right to believe would be illegal.

That said I find it ridiculous and abhorrent that anyone should think they have the right to end the life of another whatever the causes.

RIP to those killed in the attack and I hope those injured make a full recovery. Well done to the emergency services for their speedy response time.
 
Hades said:
I assumed the BB&B too but an eye witness calling LBC radio said they went into the Wheatsheaf (not sure if the old or new Wheatsheaf). But no idea if what he said was accurate.
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Wow Wheatsheaf. I don't go to that pub but I am frequently in that area late evenings on Saturdays. The only reason I wasn't today was because the other half went to the theatre and so I decide to do something productive on the car today.
 
One thing is clear I think armed police will become a permanent fixture in all major city centres UK.

2nd I wonder how long before a so called reasonable political party moots the idea of restricting or prohibiting immigration from Muslims / or Muslim majority countries.

I also fear after brexit we will become more like the US have our own Guantanamo bay etc lock up / deport many people who haven't committed a crime but are on watchlists.
 
I wonder how the IRA used automatic rifles, Semtex and mortars during their campaign but these Jihadi's can only muster up a van and a few kitchen utensils. Not saying cutlery isn't effective, but considering the wider appeal and support base, I thought they would be better organised and equipped.
 
danielanthony said:
I wonder how the IRA used automatic rifles, Semtex and mortars during their campaign but these Jihadi's can only muster up a van and a few kitchen utensils. Not saying cutlery isn't effective, but considering the wider appeal and support base, I thought they would be better organised and equipped.
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You've answered your own question. Perhaps there isn't a wider appeal or support base?
 
danielanthony said:
I wonder how the IRA used automatic rifles, Semtex and mortars during their campaign but these Jihadi's can only muster up a van and a few kitchen utensils. Not saying cutlery isn't effective, but considering the wider appeal and support base, I thought they would be better organised and equipped.
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Presumably because semtex and mortars are now much better monitored?
 
danielanthony said:
I wonder how the IRA used automatic rifles, Semtex and mortars during their campaign but these Jihadi's can only muster up a van and a few kitchen utensils. Not saying cutlery isn't effective, but considering the wider appeal and support base, I thought they would be better organised and equipped.
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God help us all if they ever get their hands on such things... This is absolutely awful and my heart goes out to those caught up in this. What a terrible way to lose a loved one.
 
Or eventually we will start to see an actual backlash, I wonder how much violence can the British people take before enough is enough and mosques start going up in flames?
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Don`t usually post in these types of threads but..
This is exactly what I have been thinking for ages,I can`t believe this has not happened already tbh
 
Uther said:
I think that's exactly what's happening. I think we will see attack after attack now unless extreme measures are taken.
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There is nothing that can be done. Preventing these is a long term effort, there is no short term fix past increasing presence and more armed deterrent.

I honestly think we're part of a campaign around Europe... Big time Paris, Big time Germany, now big time UK.
 
Just woke up I have to say amazing response and co-ordonation from UK police and counter terrorism really top job and something they should be immensely proud off.

Doing their job knowing these guys could have had suicide vests on take a special type of heroism and I don't use that word lightly.

RIP to the poor victims and speedy recovery to the injured.
 
danielanthony said:
I wonder how the IRA used automatic rifles, Semtex and mortars during their campaign but these Jihadi's can only muster up a van and a few kitchen utensils. Not saying cutlery isn't effective, but considering the wider appeal and support base, I thought they would be better organised and equipped.
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Our security services are now much better at preventing terrorists getting access to that type of equipment.

Abraxaz1 said:
Yes instead we should just get used to our children bleeding put cold and alone on the concrete floors. Hell their only white children after all.

Maybe we should start mandatory Islamic classes in all schools and mass convert to Islam. That's what they want after all.

Or we could ban wahhabism being imported into the country, target Isis online propergander.(If anon can do this I'm sure our security teams can)

Or eventually we will start to see an actual backlash, I wonder how much violence can the British people take before enough is enough and mosques start going up in flames?
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Hyperbole
 
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Freakbro said:
I think you must have missed this post...



But at least you are honest about your feelings for advocating vigilante violence against the Muslim community as the course of action we should take, not like the other right wing blow hards on here who love to vaguely insinuate the same but then go all quiet when asked directly to explain what they mean.
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Where did you get this from? Oh and before you say "you said it in another post" I said all the IRA places was smashed up. Not all Irish.
There is something wrong with you.
 
Terrible, just shockingly terrible.

How many times do we need to be cannon fodder. We need to stand up be strong and eradicate this pigish, fouls attacks. We need to sort the problem out once and for all. This can't keep happening. Let's not quibble, let's not defend. Let's get to the route and really take a zero tolerance approach. ENOUGH !

Thoughts with those affected.
 
This is getting to be an almost daily ritual now. And until something serious is done, its probably only to get worse.

For the record, no I don't know what that "something serious" should be. I don't claim to be an expert on anti-terrorist tactics. But I would think at least putting armed police on the streets of major cities as a permanent feature and increasing security and spot checks at popular venues might help. Long term though, we need to find out where these people are being turned into terrorists and attack those places with maximum force.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Yes instead we should just get used to our children bleeding put cold and alone on the concrete floors. Hell their only white children after all.
Maybe we should start mandatory Islamic classes in all schools and mass convert to Islam. That's what they want after all.
Or we could ban wahhabism being imported into the country, target Isis online propergander.(If anon can do this I'm sure our security teams can)
Or eventually we will start to see an actual backlash, I wonder how much violence can the British people take before enough is enough and mosques start going up in flames?
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You state it like it is black and white and internment is the only option.
I've already stated that past efforts at internment left more children dead bleeding and subject to violence.
So what is your suggestion?
What would you do?
Who will you 'lock up' how will you keep us safe?

Something needs to be done, many things are being done, I have no answers, you have vitriol, have you any actual suggestions?
The prisons one is probably the best one yet, segregate, and isolate to a degree.
Stop the breeding of extremism within that site, that would be beneficial, but it is only one part to a complex problem.
What else have you got for us?
 
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