London Bridge Incident

[McstylisT]

i dunno so far the conversation left to itself is vigilante attacks and the beginnings of collective punishment?


both of which are far more horrific than terrorism at its level int his country.

Statistically, maybe factually. You probably have some points.

But it takes away from the people caught up in the event. I find it a little disrespectful towards thoughs involved.

 

[Tefal]

99.9% of terrorism in the world these days is from islamic extremists. At least it is on face value when you see the news these days.

not so much in the uk they just seem to b more "successful" than the other groups who tend to fail to kill anyone.

take 2007

we had the 7/7 bombings, sure you heard about those

we had the Glasgow airport attack, sure you heard about that.

did you hear about the 7 other bombs set off in the uk that year?

 

[Caged]

Sad news and incredible response from the police you have to give it to them unfortunately people have died but to respond within 8 minutes has saved many more lives.

But I will say it again why was there no bollards put up on the bridge following the first attack I know people will say well they will just use another bridge but it dosnt take away from the fact they should be in place on that bridge.

You're aware Westminster Bridge is not London Bridge?

 

[Nitefly]

Oh please !!!!!!

Not that total DRIP o brien. He's the worst one Islamic apologist.

People don't waste your life watching it.

lol - yes, ignore my post in respect of the demand for 'apologising' and then just blanket ignore the purpose of this video...

 

[bingham67]

Yes well pointed out ! This should be mandatory

I dont get why nothing has been done surely a security review of this place that the first thing that should have been done after the last attack

 

[Kill_Phil]

So you were on about the Human Rights Act, which protects our rights as humans. You go on to complain that it is abused by terrorists to prevent deportation. Are these terrorists you refer to not Muslims?

You then go on to say this...



Yea, you're forming a cracking argument here. And you try to accuse me of deflecting.

Again no mention of Muslims. Its you making the link.

Its not like you're exactly making a cracking argument are you? Misquoting/fabricating what I said is pretty special. Its Ok I know an internet troll when I see one and I shall bite no more

P.s I know this will make you mad seeing as you have corrected people in the past.

Try to breath out of your nose instead of your mouth.

Its *breathe

 

[McstylisT]

I seriously despair at this, no wonder we are in the mess we are in. We want to fight this evil by overwhelming it with rose petals and hugs.

Yeah, how many have to die before we get a backbone and say ENOUGH

 

[Tefal]

Statistically, maybe factually. You probably have some points.

But it takes away from the people caught up in the event. I find it a little disrespectful towards thoughs involved.

i find using the deaths of uk citizens to try and destroy the uk way of life is more disrespectful though.

mainly cause its what the terrorists tried to do too....

 

[LOAM]

I wonder what impact May's 20k police reduction has had on these attacks. Certainly appear to easier now than previously.

 

[Caged]

Yeah, how many have to die before we get a backbone and say ENOUGH

ENOUGH!

Now what?

 

[McBain]

Just saw a BBC reporter ask Jeremy Corbyn if this attack will hurt or help his poll numbers .

I saw that and my response was pretty much the same, what a ridiculous question.

 

[McstylisT]

I dont get why nothing has been done surely a security review of this place that the first thing that should have been done after the last attack

In 2016 I drove over London Bridge daily. Especially rush hour. A van or car would and could have cause mass carnage mounting the pavement .. it's got to be installed on all areas surely.

 

[bingham67]

You're aware Westminster Bridge is not London Bridge?

Ah I thought it was the same bridge as last time but my point still stands

 

[Surfer]

ok great so why haven't we made automatic breaking systems mandatory?

but seriously im sorry if it makes a troll or cold hearted but i really think that its an insane response to 30 deaths to go to

1) lock people up based on their religion
2) punish peoples parents/families if they commit a terror act
3) lock up thousands of people based on them being on the watch list.


^ now if you think those are reasonable and sensible measure in response to terrorist attacks in the uk killing about 100 people in the last decade, then surely you must think things that kill thousands per year should be so far up the priorities list that we should be haveing major programs to tackle the others?

I wasn't advocating any of that. Is anyone?

We were discussing the appropriateness of you bringing to the table an argument comparing lots of deaths in other X areas to small number of deaths in terrorism and you suggested why haven't these (X categories) been banned then because hey...far far far more deaths happen in these areas yet we havent banned such lethal killing machines/drugs/drinks.

I think your argument is with a more extremist viewpoint that does advocate the things you mention. (1,2,3) I don't hold that viewpoint. But even if i did, it doesnt legitimize your comparison, its not appropriate (false equivalence as has been mentioned) to compare the two.

Apart from that carry on

 

[Tefal]

I seriously despair at this, no wonder we are in the mess we are in. We want to fight this evil by overwhelming it with rose petals and hugs.

how did we deal with the ira?

 

[johnloo]

I seriously despair at this, no wonder we are in the mess we are in. We want to fight this evil by overwhelming it with rose petals and hugs.

We have been doing this for years and the same things still happen, there needs to be change. Its time to put pressure on their families as well. I now understand why the middle east has dictators.

 

[McstylisT]

ENOUGH!

Now what?

Zero tollorance.

No apologists, no excuses. Go into the Muslim community and with their help, infiltrate and learn on the ground how it works and how, where it all sprouts from.

There is far too much hidden, far too much people looking the other way.

 

[McBain]

how did we deal with the ira?

We waited them out.

You think these people are capable of talking? The IRA didn't detest our way of life, peace was always possible.

 

[Tefal]

I wasn't advocating any of that. Is anyone?

We were discussing the appropriateness of you bringing to the table an argument comparing lots of deaths in other X areas to small number of deaths in terrorism and you suggested why haven't these (X categories) been banned then because hey...far far far more deaths happen in these areas yet we havent banned such lethal killing machines/drugs/drinks.

I think your argument is with a more extremist viewpoint that does advocate the things you mention. (1,2,3) I don't hold that viewpoint. But even if i did, it doesnt legitimize your comparison, its not appropriate (false equivalence as has been mentioned) to compare the two.

Apart from that carry on

yes the people who i brought that argument up to.

all tree of those things have been suggested in this thread.

my argument is a couple of deaths from terror, the appropriate response is not, vigilante attacks, internment camps and collective punishment of the uk Muslim population.

just like my argument for car deaths isnt ban all cars.


disproportionate spending on pointless "anti terror" costs more lives than the bloody terror attacks, and results in a worsening living condition for us all.

its like demanding every house be fitted with a lighting rod, a pointless waste of money and resources and a problem for everyone in the uk

 

[scorza]

I wonder what impact May's 20k police reduction has had on these attacks. Certainly appear to easier now than previously.

Since the police ran away, leaving the terrorists free to rampage for EIGHT minutes until the armed police arrived, probably not very much.