And what's stopping from today's car being no longer ulez compliant 5 years from now?
Today it's euro 4 that's banned, euro 5 banned next week etc etc. It's a money making scheme. A perfect one to force everyone to upgrade there car
London pollution & ULEZ
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Today it's euro 4 that's banned, euro 5 banned next week etc etc. It's a money making scheme. A perfect one to force everyone to upgrade there car
Caporegime
it'll be electric or nothing in 10/15 years
Soldato
As I've said, it will then just become a congestion charge, so even EV's in future will pay it IMO.
Euro7 standard will contain details for electric cars. So yea it's going to be an ongoing stealth tax. Emissions is just a way to get it approved. A bit like how anytime someone wants to censor the internet they say it's to protect kids.
It's as if car manufacturers have politicians in their pocket or something.
Problem is they are doing all this as public transport just gets worse and worse (when they aren't on strike) and ever more expensive.
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Caporegime
Because the TFL is punishing people going to the airport, not going into London. It seems very obvious to me?
The un-professional way he argued with Trump on the internet said it all about him tbh.
He has been a pretty useless mayor really. Every time they give him air time on TV he babbles gives the impression he hates the job.
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Soldato
There may well be perfectly good 30 year old cars on the road perfectly working - but they'll be so few in number that it shouldn't have a bearing on public policy making with measurable health outcomes. I suspect there will be an inverse relationship whereby the older the vehicle is at some point the average condition of the vehicle improves as those remaining are only owned by collectors/enthusiasts who look after them. I suspect those people would deem the daily charge worthwhile to keep that running vehicle.
EDIT: I looked it up. 140,986 cars first registered before 1993 are licensed on the road... out of 15.5m, so less than 1%.
Vehicle licensing statistics: 2022
Average age is less than 10 years. Over 4 million of the 15.5m cars on the road are less than 5 years old.
How are they punishing people going to the airport but not going into London? If you enter the ULEZ zone in a non-compliant vehicle you'll be charged. Destination is irrelevant.
Why should people going to the airport be exempt?
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Caporegime
How are they punishing people going to the airport but not going into London? If you enter the ULEZ zone in a non-compliant vehicle you'll be charged. Destination is irrelevant.
Because I’m getting off the M25 (not ULEZ) and straight into the car park, and then onto a plane. I’m not going into Oxford Street, I’m not going to Wembley. My destination is not London, it just happens that Heathrow was built so long ago and the M25 was constructed on the west side of it.
And as you stated earlier, the amount of traffic affected is so little…then why bother include Heathrow as part of it anyway? Your words.
Soldato
The amount of car traffic going to Heathrow is quite large actually - the M25 in that area is often a nightmare for congestion. What about someone going to visit their aunt just inside the M25 from the north, east or south? Why should you be exempt and not them even though the impact is the same?
You can't build policy with opt outs like that. It's not fair and it's not practical.
And more to the point - it doesn't affect you anyway so you wouldn't be charged as your car is ULEZ exempt isn't it?
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Tfl is ****. Absolute dog crap.
Unreliable, very very polluted in the underground, noisy and at times dangerous to take.
For now... His car won't be exempt in the future
Caporegime
You said earlier, your words, that the amount of cars affected by this is small! Now you are moving the goal posts to include all cars?
I’m not talking about all cars, I’m talking about ULEZ, and as you said before you moved the goal posts, it’s small.
As for those people going north and south of the airport, they clearly are not going to the airport….have you not been reading what I’m writing? I am talking about Heathrow, the airport. So those people will have to pay. You clearly support that…are you arguing against yourself now?
Soldato
I think you’re the one not making much sense here and I’m still not sure what point you’re making.
The amount of traffic going to Heathrow is large. The amount of traffic going to Heathrow that isn’t ULEZ exempt is small.
Why should they exclude it? Why not exclude everywhere that meets that criteria? The zone would be a patchwork all across London.
So far your argument seems to be that Heathrow should be excluded because it’s the only airport that you fly from - and your car is exempt anyway.
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All those things he mentioned would make life more pleasant. It's only a fantasy because people in this country prefer the status quo to any change that makes life better for anyone.Fantasy, fantasy, The Greens have got a fan I see....
Caporegime
Not sure how clear I need to be, I even drew you a map.
It doesn’t even inconvenience me as my car is exempt.
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Caporegime
As you said, a large number of vehicles are unaffected!
Why are you all of the suddenly talking about amount of traffic going into Heathrow? I’m not talking about all traffic. Stop moving the goal posts, the reason I’m not making sense in your head is you are not reading what I’m writing as proven earlier when you told me to get the national express and train after I said the bus needs a change and the train is crap and expensive. Plus you keep moving the goal posts in your head, basically you are getting confused for some reason.
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Soldato
Exactly so why are you arguing about it on a Saturday evening?
I think you need to step away from this thread Raymond.
Posting a map of where Heathrow is (as if anyone who’s ever been there doesn’t know it’s just inside the M25) didn’t add anything to the discussion.
If you’re gonna argue for it to be exempt you need to say why. So far all you’ve said is that there’s a lot of planes there - as if ULEZ has anything to do with their emissions.
If we’re making locations exempt just because they’re destinations to people outside of London and they’re just inside the M25, there’s gonna be a lot of places requesting exemption. And if we’re making it exempt because of the planes, City Airport will need to be exempt too. And the docks along the river as boats pollute too. Every building with a helipad in the city? Where does it end?
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Caporegime
Why are you moving the goal posts about why am I on the forum (as you are) on a Saturday? (I’m on here between serving customers at the shop)
It’s impossible to talk to someone when they can’t even stick to what they are saying…
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