London violence reaching epidemic proportions

WOW. Glad I don't live in that **** hole.

I live very near Greenwich, it's just down the road. Greenwich Village and the new development near Deptford [Greenwich Reach] are really nice. The parts nearer to Lewisham are horrid.

Acutally, Lewisham in general is very depressing.
 
Lots of this is cultural, not all cultures are equal! We already had our homegrown chav population then we imported various other groups a few decades ago, experiences may vary... for example you're perhaps going to get far fewer issues with middle-class Indians (probably better in this respect, as a group, than the white British population) than lower-class Bangladeshis etc.. There have been plenty of issues with gang violence among people of Caribbean origin too.

Re: modern-day immigration I suspect that extending British National Overseas passports to Hong Kong Chinese people isn't going to result in a problem community re: criminality (that's largely cultural, in fact you could probably bring over poor people from mainland China and you'd have way fewer issues than you'd get with say poor white British people) whereas if we don't efficiently deal with/reject say migrants from the likes of Somalia or indeed various poor African migrants trying to get across the med, through Europe and across the channel then we perhaps will have issues with those groups.

Part of it is poverty and education or lack of but part of it is very much cultural too. We need to be more careful re: who we let in, Jamaican graduates etc..? Sure, mass immigration from Jamaica? Massive nope!

Points-based systems etc.. should deal with lots of potential newly imported issues, illegal immigration asylum seekers can potentially undermine things though.

As for our existing problem groups, various urban youths whether white chavs, or Pakistanis/Bangladeshis, or Afro-Caribbean youths (who are disproportionately a very big problem when it comes to this sort of crime) that's going to require things along the lines of what Burnsey has suggested plus perhaps more emphasis on contraception, birth control etc.. single-parent households can have a big impact here too.

I read this with some interest, it made me think of something loosely connected that I saw this a.m.
I was in Guy’s Hospital for a scheduled blood test, and it was obvious that I wouldn’t be called for maybe 12-15 minutes.
I looked around for something, anything, to read, and noticed a copy of The Sun on a vacant chair.
I carefully searched the faces of the 11 or 12 people in the waiting area, and once I’d established that no one there knew me, so I was reasonably safe, I picked it up.
On page 2 there was a by-line, “Migrant fear over housing.”
The reporter wrote that cross channel migrants will turn to violence because they are angry about delays in being given accommodation, the warmer weather had brought a new record of 336 migrants in 19 boats last Friday.
The report went on, Lucy Moreton, from the ISU immigration union said, “There is a risk of unrest from these groups, they want to be moved into accommodation, if that doesn’t happen promptly they get cross about it.”
I didn’t know if I should feel anger at what I’d just read, meaning anger at the outside possibility that these immigrants may be feeling hard done by and vexed, or annoyance at myself for picking the rag up and reading it, and wondering if there was any truth to it.
 
The report went on, Lucy Moreton, from the ISU immigration union said, “There is a risk of unrest from these groups, they want to be moved into accommodation, if that doesn’t happen promptly they get cross about it.”

I can completely believe that though. Many think the streets of England are paved with gold. I wouldn't be surprised if they thought they'd be automatically given housing and end up becoming miffed if they don't get it.

Maybe you were just annoyed at The Sun playing to its own rabble, and the fact that it met your own [low] expectations. But I don't think what it said was untrue.
 
Meh. Gangs and drugs. It is what it is. 35 years ago i lived on Lenton Boulevard for a year in Nottingham and there was three murders on that street that year. One a stabbing over drugs, one a couple of teenagers who caved an elderly mans head in after he told them off for queue jumping in the chip shop and another who chopped his girlfriend up into little pieces and hid her under the floorboards in the flat.

shock horror there are lots of not so nice places to live in the UK.

Interesting that the murders started after you moved in and stopped when you moved away...
 
More black police, harsher penalties for having knives without explanation and more community engagement with ex-gangsters used as examples.

There problem solved.
 
Meh. Gangs and drugs. It is what it is. 35 years ago i lived on Lenton Boulevard for a year in Nottingham and there was three murders on that street that year. One a stabbing over drugs, one a couple of teenagers who caved an elderly mans head in after he told them off for queue jumping in the chip shop and another who chopped his girlfriend up into little pieces and hid her under the floorboards in the flat.

shock horror there are lots of not so nice places to live in the UK.

Wow! Imagine being so raged to kill someone for being told off for queue jumping. Let alone a chip shop. The 3rd is just... it's beyond disturbing and disgusting.
 
Wow! Imagine being so raged to kill someone for being told off for queue jumping. Let alone a chip shop. The 3rd is just... it's beyond disturbing and disgusting.
some people are mental I grew up with a guy who was insane.

Quiet lad until about 13, his father used to force him to settle any differences with other kids in a fight on his garden lawn..

the guy ended up getting really good at fighting but violence was always his answer.

He ended up in the same school as me when he was 14, went up to the roughest kid in school and offered to fight them...

seemed he had a big reputation for fighting, he ended up whacking a teacher and getting expelled and schooled at home.

from 15 he had no problem fighting adults even rough looking chavs...

When he was about 17 I went with him to meet his GF at a bus stop, she was 30mins late and he asked me if he should punch her.....

then when she arrives he tells her the only reason he isn't going to hit her is because I said he shouldn;t .....

I was just thinking holy crap this guy is proper mental these days... and felt sorry for his GF she must have been embarrassed but put up with him so her fault..

he ended up breaking he dads jaw not long after.

I got the hell out of Nottingham and never looked back, all my friends were criminals from an early age.

I think I was arrested 3 times but could be more before I even turned 16.
criminal damage, TWOC and commercial burglary.

never committed a crime since, most my old friends are still in the news for drugs/shootings/theft etc (every few years I'll google their names and see theyre still in and out of prison)
One was in the national papers about 5 years ago for shooting someones house with a shotgun/pistol cos they owned him money for drugs... I think he was the youngest person to ever get an ASBO or he first person to ever get one I forget which

No one ever carried knives around back then although I knew a few people who would carry screw drivers around mainly for stealing but I doubt they would have had any problem stabbing someone
 
Wow! Imagine being so raged to kill someone for being told off for queue jumping. Let alone a chip shop. The 3rd is just... it's beyond disturbing and disgusting.

Even more so was he was my next door neighbour and me and my mate had been out drinking with him the night before to see a band in a local pub. Honestly, he didnt seem the type to chop his gf up. He was perfectly normal.
 
Interesting that the murders started after you moved in and stopped when you moved away...

lol. Maybe I was a catalyst? Serious answer was I moved 100 miles away so no idea if the murders kept up in the years after. certainly at the time, it was the murder area of the UK, more than parts of London.
 
lol. Maybe I was a catalyst? Serious answer was I moved 100 miles away so no idea if the murders kept up in the years after. certainly at the time, it was the murder area of the UK, more than parts of London.
It was the gun crime capital of the UK but I think it lost it years back.
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A lot of it probably went away when they got rid of some of the gangster families like the "gunns"
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/stories-behind-rise-fall-nottinghamshires-4458884
 
The reporter wrote that cross channel migrants will turn to violence because they are angry about delays in being given accommodation, the warmer weather had brought a new record of 336 migrants in 19 boats last Friday.
The report went on, Lucy Moreton, from the ISU immigration union said, “There is a risk of unrest from these groups, they want to be moved into accommodation, if that doesn’t happen promptly they get cross about it.”
I didn’t know if I should feel anger at what I’d just read, meaning anger at the outside possibility that these immigrants may be feeling hard done by and vexed, or annoyance at myself for picking the rag up and reading it, and wondering if there was any truth to it.

I mean if people were genuinely fleeing from a war zone then they ought to be grateful to have simply got into a free country and have some basic shelter/accommodation when their claims are processed - instead, we've already seen them kick off because they were put in an army barracks etc...

There was the whole NYE mass groping thing in Germany too for example. Problem is plenty of these migrants are disproportionately young men and really there are economic goals here. Young single men have plenty of potential for social unrest and realistically plenty of them won't find it easy to find partners etc... language and cultural barriers, low status, low income etc.. so yeah, they'll get angry.
 
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