London violence reaching epidemic proportions

Shame we dont have a party of law and order, these woke Tories are just not cutting it. When is the next mayor election?

You jest, but if you look at the stats you can say knife crime increased under Sadiq Khan......back up to levels seen around 2011/12 under Boris

https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/

I don't think the mayor has a big impact on knife crime to be honest. Statista seem to think it's police funding and numbers that has the biggest impact, both of which are controlled by central government.
 
You jest, but if you look at the stats you can say knife crime increased under Sadiq Khan......back up to levels seen around 2011/12 under Boris

https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/

I don't think the mayor has a big impact on knife crime to be honest. Statista seem to think it's police funding and numbers that has the biggest impact, both of which are controlled by central government.

Isn't the mayor in charge of policing? Though surely policy is heavily influenced by government and you wonder how much sway the mayor has.

But yeah, years and years of the weak on crime Tories cutting things to the bone isnt helping.
 
Yep, he needs to get sacked he and his kin are literally endangering the lives of others.

Or, and this may be completely out of this world, he's heard the evidence, read the reports he's legally obliged to read, and followed the laws and guidance that he legally has to and worked from that?
As opposed to some headline from a paper where they've rarely if ever actually sent anyone to watch the trial and want headlines and outrage.

Judges work to the wording of the law, past precedent, and the sentencing guidelines as laid down by the government, they basically cannot go against them, they also take into account things like the government telling them "we've only got a couple of dozen spare prison cells in the country, please only send the absolute worst to prison" (IIRC our current government has been reducing the number of prison places and they've mucked up a few times resulting in very low hundreds of spare places in jails at times).

Anyone can appeal a sentence that they feel is too lenient via a relatively simple process, at which point IIRC if the appeal is felt to have any merit another judge looks at the case including the judges reasoning, which is often a fairly lengthy report showing their workings in the same way you had to show your workings for maths homework with the things they've considered in their sentencing and how they feel they should be applied and the legal reasoning behind those consideration.
Judges, despite the way some idiots think, don't just pull a sentence length out of their backside*, they have to work within some quite limited constraints so that if there is any appeal or anything other judges can see exactly why they did what they did.


*Unlike in the US where a lot of the lower end judges are less qualified and less supervised than our magistrates (who are actually trained to some extent and have to listen to a highly qualified lawyer who advises them on the law).
 
It isn't just cutting down on police number, also central government and council cuts lead to cuts in community services, youth support and engagement groups. Obviously this is no excuse for hacking someone with a machete or stabbing someone but it helps stop some falling into gang life.

Isn't the mayor in charge of policing? Though surely policy is heavily influenced by government and you wonder how much sway the mayor has.

But yeah, years and years of the weak on crime Tories cutting things to the bone isnt helping.
 
Isn't the mayor in charge of policing? Though surely policy is heavily influenced by government and you wonder how much sway the mayor has.

But yeah, years and years of the weak on crime Tories cutting things to the bone isnt helping.
It's not even "being weak on crime", time and time again it's been shown it's better to spend money on preventing crime, in the case of crime by the likes of teens that typically meant spending money on things like activities for the youngsters to do in a relatively safe/supervised environment such as club activities.

Unfortunately many of those got cut as part of "austerity" along with police numbers, court spaces, jail numbers etc so there is less done to help prevent crime, then less to follow up on crime which means less deterrent. Also being tough on criminals if the chances of catching them is low, has never been a great tactic as you need a high detection rate so it's known that you are unlikely to get away with it.
 
Or, and this may be completely out of this world, he's heard the evidence, read the reports he's legally obliged to read, and followed the laws and guidance that he legally has to and worked from that?
As opposed to some headline from a paper where they've rarely if ever actually sent anyone to watch the trial and want headlines and outrage.

Judges work to the wording of the law, past precedent, and the sentencing guidelines as laid down by the government, they basically cannot go against them, they also take into account things like the government telling them "we've only got a couple of dozen spare prison cells in the country, please only send the absolute worst to prison" (IIRC our current government has been reducing the number of prison places and they've mucked up a few times resulting in very low hundreds of spare places in jails at times).

Anyone can appeal a sentence that they feel is too lenient via a relatively simple process, at which point IIRC if the appeal is felt to have any merit another judge looks at the case including the judges reasoning, which is often a fairly lengthy report showing their workings in the same way you had to show your workings for maths homework with the things they've considered in their sentencing and how they feel they should be applied and the legal reasoning behind those consideration.
Judges, despite the way some idiots think, don't just pull a sentence length out of their backside*, they have to work within some quite limited constraints so that if there is any appeal or anything other judges can see exactly why they did what they did.


*Unlike in the US where a lot of the lower end judges are less qualified and less supervised than our magistrates (who are actually trained to some extent and have to listen to a highly qualified lawyer who advises them on the law).


Not true he deserved a custodial thats why he got a suspended sentence but the judge used his lack of common sense to decide that he could be rehabilitated and that it might harm others if he was sent to prison.

The guy has 43 prior convictions, if he could be rehabilitated, surely he would have already been so?

Its a soft judge and you know it.
 
kinda sad, in my day you either avoided people, bought a dog or took up running as a hobby
but no one carried knives in 90s or early 00s
i wonder what happened to make people use/carry knives?

i also wonder if the people using knives KNOW what kind of damage they could be inflicting on the other?
 
You jest, but if you look at the stats you can say knife crime increased under Sadiq Khan......back up to levels seen around 2011/12 under Boris

https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/

I don't think the mayor has a big impact on knife crime to be honest. Statista seem to think it's police funding and numbers that has the biggest impact, both of which are controlled by central government.
Not sure what they're using as a source (paywall for that info) but the ONS seems to disagree. Although i could be reading statista wrong as they're measuring the totally amount of knife crime whereas the ONS measure it per 1k of population, either way while knife crime in London is the highest it's not seen as big an increase from last year when compared to other regions, London +7%, but Gwent is +56%, and Essex is +51%. Even what i think most people would consider the rural idyll of Devon and Somerset saw a rise of 15%.
 
kinda sad, in my day you either avoided people, bought a dog or took up running as a hobby
but no one carried knives in 90s or early 00s
I'm not sure that's quite true. My brother was mugged at knifepoint in the 90's in East London (he managed to outrun them as he was an incredibly fast runner back then). His mate had his throat cut in an mugging a few weeks later (he survived). But I do agree it's far more common now.
 
kinda sad, in my day you either avoided people, bought a dog or took up running as a hobby
but no one carried knives in 90s or early 00s

I think saying "no-one" is highly inaccurate. I got mugged at knifepoint in the mid '90s [well, attempted, I had nothing to give them].

I went out in the 2000s and some moron from a club took our taxi from us and threatened to stab us [showed us the knife] if we didn't give it to them.

A friend of mine was threatened at knifepoint by a homeless person along the Embankment in the late 90s.

Just a few examples from people I know and in my own experience.
 
I think this stuff is going to happen a bit more frequently as we come out of lockdowns/restrictions and the weather gets better. It always happens when summer hits, more youth on the streets etc.

It's been interesting in my neck of the woods yesterday. One park was overrun by pikies who nicked a car, flipped it and left it on the common before getting kicked out. Same afternoon apparently there was a stabbing which meant the air ambulance landed in the park the other side of my street. Fun times.
 
I think this stuff is going to happen a bit more frequently as we come out of lockdowns/restrictions and the weather gets better. It always happens when summer hits, more youth on the streets etc.

It's been interesting in my neck of the woods yesterday. One park was overrun by pikies who nicked a car, flipped it and left it on the common before getting kicked out. Same afternoon apparently there was a stabbing which meant the air ambulance landed in the park the other side of my street. Fun times.

Where are you in London?
 
London has about 15% of the UK's population - 20% of England's, of course there's going to be 'loads' of stabbings but is it really a disproportionate amount compared to other urban areas?

It's always London this London that as if you'll get stabbed the second you get beyond the M25.

If you grouped together Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield etc together in the same area you'd probably have a 'blood soaked' evening in whatever fictional city this would make that would probably still be smaller than London.
 
London has about 15% of the UK's population - 20% of England's, of course there's going to be 'loads' of stabbings but is it really a disproportionate amount compared to other urban areas?

It's always London this London that as if you'll get stabbed the second you get beyond the M25.

If you grouped together Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield etc together in the same area you'd probably have a 'blood soaked' evening in whatever fictional city this would make that would probably still be smaller than London.

So you are saying its fine, or its not fine?
 
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