Lost Season 5 (Sunday, Sky1, 9PM)

See, we are entering potential paradox territory here.

If they make it so the bomb goes off, stops the 'incident' and therefore they don't crash on the island, they won't be on the island in order to trigger the events that result in them going back in time and setting off the bomb. They'd be stuck in one big time loop, without someone there to set off the bomb the plane will crash, they'll then set off the bomb, reset time, but then there's no one there to set off the bomb to reset time so the plane will crash again...

ARGGGGH MY BRAIN!

I'm hoping the Lost writers are clever enough to either explain a way around said paradox or (ideally imo) make it so that the bomb going off did in fact trigger the event and it was all supposed to happen. Either that or the uranium in the bomb being thrown into the pocket somehow triggered the event and the bomb never actually went off. The flash of light could be another time shift as whatever they were sent back in time to do (trigger the event) was done and thus they were returned to their original place in time possibly? I dunno, i just hope they don't do the whole 'and it never happened' ending as it's just too cheap and lazy imo.
 
Streeteh said:
See, we are entering potential paradox territory here.

If they make it so the bomb goes off, stops the 'incident' and therefore they don't crash on the island, they won't be on the island in order to trigger the events that result in them going back in time and setting off the bomb. They'd be stuck in one big time loop, without someone there to set off the bomb the plane will crash, they'll then set off the bomb, reset time, but then there's no one there to set off the bomb to reset time so the plane will crash again...

ARGGGGH MY BRAIN!

I'm hoping the Lost writers are clever enough to either explain a way around said paradox or (ideally imo) make it so that the bomb going off did in fact trigger the event and it was all supposed to happen. Either that or the uranium in the bomb being thrown into the pocket somehow triggered the event and the bomb never actually went off. The flash of light could be another time shift as whatever they were sent back in time to do (trigger the event) was done and thus they were returned to their original place in time possibly? I dunno, i just hope they don't do the whole 'and it never happened' ending as it's just too cheap and lazy imo.
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I am 99.9 recurring percent certain that it will not happen. If they did do the whole "it never happened" plot, the whole Jacob dying plot during the same episode is redundant.
 
Jacob said to Hurley he was blessed as he could see / communicate with the dead (albeit in his head) praps Hurley can chat to Jacob even after he died.
 
EgonSpengler said:
Remind me, which was "The constant"? I don't remember them by name.
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It was a Desmond episode (ep 5 i think) where he was on the helicopter, then kept flashing to the army camp. He was dying from it so he had to find his constant (penny). It ended up with him on the phone to her on the boat. And it all kinda joined together in the last scenes with them both saying they love each other.

It's my fav ep so far.

I'm sure the next season will start with them all on the plane, they will think "yes we did it". Then the plane will start to jump a bit, get them all worried. It will then re-crash on the island.
 
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Camalot said:
It was a Desmond episode (ep 5 i think) where he was on the helicopter, then kept flashing to the army camp. He was dying from it so he had to find his constant (penny). It ended up with him on the phone to her on the boat. And it all kinda joined together in the last scenes with them both saying they love each other.

It's my fav ep so far.

I'm sure the next season will start with them all on the plane, they will think "yes we did it". Then the plane will start to jump a bit, get them all worried. It will then re-crash on the island.
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Yes, I remember now thanks. A good episode, but I wouldn't say my favourite. Charlie's death always sticks in my memory as a good episode and the exploding hatch was good to.
 
Camalot said:
It was a Desmond episode (ep 5 i think) where he was on the helicopter, then kept flashing to the army camp. He was dying from it so he had to find his constant (penny). It ended up with him on the phone to her on the boat. And it all kinda joined together in the last scenes with them both saying they love each other.

It's my fav ep so far.

I'm sure the next season will start with them all on the plane, they will think "yes we did it". Then the plane will start to jump a bit, get them all worried. It will then re-crash on the island.
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That's a really good theory for how the last season might start off. I really hope it happens that way now. But that will mean they remember everything that has happened to them? And then possibly be able to do it all again differently.
 
mr.sly said:
That's a really good theory for how the last season might start off. I really hope it happens that way now. But that will mean they remember everything that has happened to them? And then possibly be able to do it all again differently.
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Correct. I think they will all be back on the plane and all make eye contact with each other, smile. The plane will go through a few worrying jumps. Then after a sigh of relief from them, the plane will go down and crash on the island.:cool:
 
Camalot said:
Correct. I think they will all be back on the plane and all make eye contact with each other, smile. The plane will go through a few worrying jumps. Then after a sigh of relief from them, the plane will go down and crash on the island.:cool:
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Can't see that happening personally. Where do they go from there? They still wouldn't be in the same timezone as the rest either....
 
Camalot said:
Correct. I think they will all be back on the plane and all make eye contact with each other, smile. The plane will go through a few worrying jumps. Then after a sigh of relief from them, the plane will go down and crash on the island.:cool:
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In this so called loop, is there a start and a beginning?
 
MidnightLamp said:
yeah i have a feeling hurley will be a hero sometime, speaking to jacob and revealing some help/something for the losties
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Im sure jacob will continue to help them through hurley. I would have thought they got shot back to the current time line when the bomb went off.

I dont think there is a "loop". The guy at the start said it will all happen again, suggesting a loop. But Jacob seems to think it will only end once.
 
Camalot said:
Im sure jacob will continue to help them through hurley. I would have thought they got shot back to the current time line when the bomb went off.

I dont think there is a "loop". The guy at the start said it will all happen again, suggesting a loop. But Jacob seems to think it will only end once.
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If Jack, Kate etc are all dead now perhaps it will be revealed that they are the whisperers watching on as events occur in seasons 1-4.

Also theres a lot to cram in 16 episodes including but not limited to:

Walt
Smoke Monster (and why he killed Echo)
Jacob + Bro
Why Charlie had to die
Desmond and his visons, why did he end up naked after the blast.
What Locke originally saw that was "beautiful" back in season 1.
How Libbey ended up in the mental institution.
Wildmoore and Ben resoloution (also why wildmore broke the rules by killing bens daughter)
What happened to Claire.
How did the leader of The Others get caught in a simple trap and why didnt the french women recognise him as the person who took her baby.
Why Daniels mam brought her son back to the island.
What the numbers mean.
Why no one could become pregnant on the island.
What happenend to the statue.
What happended to the Black Rock (possibly including Richards story).
What happended to the Air Waitress who bonded with Jack and later joined The Others.
The Talking Hurly Bird.


Plus any further plot developement that happens this season including the coming war.

Something tells me were going to be left short changed.
 
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They said on the Official Lost podcast a few episodes back that they're definitely not going to tie up everything that has ever happened. They're just going to tie up the main plot points and events that fans have talked about a lot.

I'm sure most of what you mentioned will get resolved though or will make more sense when you go back and watch older episodes again with the information we have now.
 
I dont think the black shirted guy "is" the black smoke, as some people are suggesting.

From what i can work out, the black shirted guy was trying to find a loop hole into killing Jacob, right? So he had to posess someone, who could then convince someone to kill Jacob on his behalf... but the black smoke can kill anyone, and has done. it killed Mr Eko, for example. If that was the case, why couldnt he kill Jacob for himself?

Plus, the statue and the temple are clearly built to worship some evil force that's been there thousands of years. That guy had a very modern American accent, even when The Black Rock was sailing around. It doesn't seem to make sense that he'd posess a body, somehow go back in time, then spend 200 years trying to find people to kill Jacob.

And even then, why would Jacob bring people to the island in the first place? What's he trying to do? He can leave the island whenever he wants...
 
Hostile17 said:
Also theres a lot to cram in 16 episodes including but not limited to:

Why Charlie had to die He died as Desmond saw that happening during a flashback in which he saw people rescued. So Charlie, in order to make sure Claire was saved, put himself in that situation.
Wildmoore and Ben resoloution (also why wildmore broke the rules by killing bens daughter) Whidmore broke the rules because he had a child with somebody off the island I believe?
What happended to the Air Waitress who bonded with Jack and later joined The Others. She is still with the Others.
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They're the only ones (tragically) that I think I can help with. Even then I'm not sure I'm right :p
 
tisonlyme said:
Ana-Lucia, was there actually any point to her being in it? I can't remember...

What an annoying character she was!
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She would have been in the show a lot longer, but she was caught drinking and driving in Hawaii(where they were filming) at the time, so the writers had to change the script and make her leave the show!

also!

This is a question to pick your Lost Brains!

Remeber back in Season 1 when Jack and Kate found the caves for the first time and there was 2 dead skeletons laying down together, and they also found a little bag with a black and white stones in it..

i wounder who they could be..

Maybe Rose and Benard didnt leave the time they was in and stayed in the caves? urgh who knows!!!
 
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My opinion on Lost.

I think that the losties that traveled back in time were there to set off the bomb which will neutralise the effects of the magnetic forces unleashed in the future "Swan/Hatch" station using the nuclear bomb blast. Faraday's mother knows this and that is why she grooms her son and sends him to his death on the island.
Sayid states in an earlier series about the Swan/Hatch that the only other time he was aware of concrete being applied so liberally was Chernobyl indicating that at that point in time (before all this time jumping) that a nuclear incident could have happened in this location. Also I think that the Failsafe that Desmond turns in the first hatch incident we saw triggered a nuclear reaction to neutralise the electromagnetic incident that happened when that happened we saw a huge white light and Desmond's Conciseness went back in time and met up with his body in the past, forcing him to relive a portion of his life. So I expect we WILL see the survivors back on the plane, then they will end up back in "Current time" after reliving everything we have seen thus far and naked as the day they were born Yay Kate and Juliette \o/... Oh ... Hurley **hides eyes**

I think we will likely find out about Richard's back story in the next series and more about Jacob and his Nemesis. Jacob obviously was not too bothered about dieing as he practically goaded Ben into stabbing him "What about you!"

I also expect to get an answer as to what the monster really is.

One thing I don't understand is how Rousseau managed to survive the gas attack on the Island (which happened after she arrived IIRC)

The Numbers BTW are to do with a mathematical equation (or something) which predicts the end of humanity.
 
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My attempt at answering some of the questions:

Hostile17 said:
Also theres a lot to cram in 16 episodes including but not limited to:

Smoke Monster (and why he killed Echo) - Mr. Eko didn't seek redemption, in fact he felt he did nothing wrong. Redemption was a reoccuring theme with all the characters who encountered the smoke.
Why Charlie had to die - A lot of people died on the island, it's not the island's intension. All the deaths are pretty much the result of other people's actions, not dictated by the island (as Locke believes with Boone). Charlie probably had the best death(s) as he died on both occasions to protect / save Claire (Jack revived him the first time)
Desmond and his visons, why did he end up naked after the blast. - Why he became naked will definitely not be explained, but he was at Ground Zero when he triggered the blast at the end of Season 2, which is probably why he became "special" as Daniel said, falling outside of the rules, because he has absorbed too much of the radiation which was natural to the island, as to Daniel's artificial radiation.
What Locke originally saw that was "beautiful" back in season 1. - he saw the monster which looks through people's memories. If Locke saw his own past, it only means he saw hope after all that he's been through and he's now finally able to find his destiny.
How Libbey ended up in the mental institution. - I read that this was something the producers decided they wouldn't tackle, which is a huge shame... The writer's strike in Season 4 meant a lot of things originally intended were untackled.
Wildmoore and Ben resoloution (also why wildmore broke the rules by killing bens daughter) - This could just be Keame's action and nothing to do with Wildmore, and Ben took this personally as Charles breaking the rules.
How did the leader of The Others get caught in a simple trap and why didnt the french women recognise him as the person who took her baby. - Which trap are you referring to? (been a while since I watched 2 and 3). Danielle not recognising Ben is possibly because Ben has aged since, but the producers decided to use the same actor to portray the same character. It could be an oversight like a lot of other things in the series!
Why Daniels mom brought her son back to the island. - She's a firm believer in destiny, it's a sacrafice she knew she had to make as it's how things happened as she recalled. Bear in mind her conversation with Charles Wildmore that referenced each one's sacrafice.
What the numbers mean. - This was tackled outside of the series (which is very annoying as I don't intend to dig up "the Lost Experience" just to learn more about stuff in the show). I did read that they're core values from an equation used to calculate the fate of humanity, dictating the end of mankind, and the Dharma Initiative is trying to change the values in order to change mankind's fate.
Why no one could become pregnant on the island. - this one will probably remain a mystery as a "rule of a fictional world"
What happended to the Black Rock (possibly including Richards story). - Doubt very much they'd tackle this, along with the Adam and Eve, the couple who landed on the island in a Balloon etc. They're just passengers of varies vessels brought to the island, possibly by Jacob.
What happended to the Air Waitress who bonded with Jack and later joined The Others. - Pretty sure she was sent back to the world along with many other captured passengers from the tail section using the submarine.
The Talking Hurly Bird. - the what what?

Something tells me were going to be left short changed.
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Yeah all in all we're bound to feel short changed, which I think is an unfortunate problem with American TV shows being forced to go without real directions due to the channels wanting to pump as many series as possible out of every show, which meant Lost started off without clear idea of how long it was going to be.

It was only after they confirmed how many series the show would run on for were they able to structure things out and answer things, which are bound to leave certain introduced concepts untouched.

Have to say Lost is relatively constantly well produced as a tv show, same could not be said about Heroes which was a huge inspiration in its first series.


As for what happens next. I try not to think of what will really happen, but what's not likely to happen:

The theory that they did reset the past is theorically not possible because (as someone has already mentioned) by altering the past that affects paths leading to the travelling back in time, you've broken the cycle. However it's not likely that they'd kill off half the cast who're stuck in the past either.

This leaves Locke, Sayid, Juliet, Daniel and Charlotte likely casualities from the events of Season 5, assuming Sayid's gunshot wound is fatal which is consistent with how two of his previous lovers died.

The real questions is whether the show is leading to a happy ending at all, which given its history of tormenting all the characters as much as possible, is highly improbable :(
 
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