I hope your hard drive is encrypted.
Lostprophets Singer Facing Child Sex Charges
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I hope your hard drive is encrypted.
Agreed...
Caporegime
There was a man who suffered from a brain tumour. The tumour for reasons no-one has figured out, made him sexually attracted to children. He, not being an evil toerag, went to see his doctor and confided in him that he was sexually attracted to children and wanted help. He did not, at any time, molest children. The tumour was removed and his sexual desires returned to normal. Later, he found himself once again being attracted to children and returned to the doctor. The discovered the tumour had returned and upon removal his desires once again returned to normal.
Now, by your standards, when was this man behaving in a morally wrong manner?
I'm personally uncomfortable with the notion of defining people's unacted desires as morally wrong. I think many people have desires that would be immoral to act upon (as in the dirty thoughts about your friend's hot wife example I gave earlier) but we don't judge them on them because it's actions that are the morally culpable part.
Yes, as a result of the tumour - it was causing him to behave in an immoral way, which was presumably one of the reasons he sought medical attention - because he couldn't deal with these thoughts.
You can concoct all manner of reasons why somebody might behave immorally, but it doesn't alter the fact it's still immoral.
Comparing thinking about sex with kids, compared to thinking about sex with your friends hot wife, is an insane comparison.
One is totally natural and maybe even healthy - I don't see anything wrong with natural sexual lust, it's what drives our species.
The other is a disgusting perversion, aimed at vulnerable children, whether it's acted out or not.
Caporegime
Right, so you accept that his being attracted to children was not in itself immoral. So why do you think that's immoral in all the other cases? I tend to think paedophilia is, in most cases, probably a medical issue. It is likely that there is no meaningful sense in which people choose to be attracted to children. In fact, given the cycle of abuse it's quite plausible that it may be abuse as a child that in some proportion of cases causes the problem. Moreover, acting as if the thoughts themselves are morally wrong may actually impede those with a problem from seeking treatment and actually make things worse.
It's abusing children that's immoral not what goes on in the privacy of your own head.
I'm not saying they are equivalent. I'm saying its another example where the actions are immoral (you'd agree, I assume, that doing the slippery with a mate's missus is immoral?) but the thought is not, in and of itself, morally culpable.
What is this I don't even...
Soldato
What I don't get about this guy is that he had all the power in the world. Successful rock band, money and women at his disposal willing to do every nasty thing he could desire.
So instead of having sex with beautiful women willing to do anything, he chose *** Bit Strong *** - Will Gill
Without going pedo you can understand the "school girl" fantasy some have, but a infant baby
Can only hazard a guess but surely drugs had a massive effect on his mentality warping it into someone / something he was not earlier in his life.
So instead of having sex with beautiful women willing to do anything, he chose *** Bit Strong *** - Will Gill
Without going pedo you can understand the "school girl" fantasy some have, but a infant baby
Can only hazard a guess but surely drugs had a massive effect on his mentality warping it into someone / something he was not earlier in his life.
Caporegime
"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely"? I dunno, I think things like this are too incomprehensible to even sensibly speculate on. I wonder similar things every time we get another Footballer rape story (obviously that's not quite on the same magnitude of evil as baby rape but still).
Soldato
Exactly, if the same could be repeated by understanding the underline causes we can attack the problem from multiple angels.
The problem is, the hysteria surrounding the subject doesn't nothing to improve the lives of the victims or even prevent future abuses - if anything I bet it the direct cause of many victims never coming forward.
I've always thought something may be here with this.
When a person is treated like a god/celebrity - they are open to viewing others as being tools, functional beings to please their every desire. They lose sight of the humanity inherent in others resulting in diminished empathy & it allows abuse - some people are able to handle the 'social power' without becoming abuses, but some are unsuited to any form of power (social, military or political) without abusing it.
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No, you've misinterpreted my reply, his behaviour was immoral - the fact he went to the doctor to get treatment doesn't change anything, it was still immoral.
Whilst thought crimes are not crimes and I don't think people should be punished for thought crimes, I still think it's absolutely immoral, wrong, disgusting, awful - whatever, to think about abusing children in your head.
This is a stupid argument.
For a start, thinking about sex with another adult (married/single whatever) is perfectly normal, there must be billions of people who've had similar thoughts about someone's hot wife, but many people control their urges and don't act on them for the purposes of preserving friendships and social stability, probably not so much to do with morals.
Thinking about sex with a child and liking it, isn't normal in any sense. To get to the point where you're having such thoughts you must abandon any sense of moral compass, common decency, right and wrong, upon reaching this point I think you have an individual which is extremely dangerous, and it's only a matter of time.
Soldato
I was wondering about this - what if there is a father involved though. Maybe some of the kids have fathers who care about them - surely they would be placed into their care instead.
Such an awful awful situation.
Caporegime
Sorry, my bad
So having a brain tumour is immoral? What does immoral even mean if you can be classed as immoral for having a brain tumour?
Interesting, there have also been cases of the medication levo-dopa causing zoophilia and sexual compulsions.
Completely disagree, not supported by evidence and directly contradicted by the fact that drugs and other medical conditions as described above can cause such thoughts.
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Sorry, my bad
So having a brain tumour is immoral? What does immoral even mean if you can be classed as immoral for having a brain tumour?
Developing a brain tumour is bad luck and doesn't really concern morality.
In terms of morality - having such a disease could well make somebody behave immorally, or alter their behaviour - but it could be argued that the reasons for such behaviour are through no fault of their own - in which you could hold a reasonable amount of empathy for somebody in that situation, whilst due to disease their behaviour or thought process could be immoral, they themselves perhaps wouldn't be.
Somebody who is "fine" medically, but experiences these thoughts without being worried, or concerned - could perhaps be abandoning their own morality, they're aware that they're attracted to children, but so long as it's in their head they see it as ok,
Whilst both people are experiencing immoral thoughts, one is simply doing so through bad luck, the other through perverted choice
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Soldato
I'm no so convinced.
Why on earth would anybody choose to be a paedophile?, I can't see anybody waking up one morning & deciding to become the most hated & despised type of person in society, unable to form relationships with the people they are attracted to (without going to prison) - who knows, maybe I'm trying to apply a normal rational view to something so alien to me.
Soldato
Honestly, after reading everything I have, I can say the guy deserves everything he gets.
You're advocating the policing of thoughts then, right?
Interestingly, did anyone ever catch this a few years back, "the execution of gary glitter" where channel 4 keeping in line with controversy, invented a fictional scenario in which the death penalty had been reinstated, and gary glitter was on trial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPtEWA2BzZQ
It's pretty interesting and also quite funny, whilst touching on some serious issues, typical channel 4..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPtEWA2BzZQ
It's pretty interesting and also quite funny, whilst touching on some serious issues, typical channel 4..
I think your selection of words is poor; it is not a choice.
Because they don't have any self control.
I'm not sure it's a defence to think that a person who becomes sexually attracted to children, is the result of aspects totally beyond their control, we live in a world where we need to exercise self control - reign in our thoughts and stay on the straight and narrow all the time.
If you allow yourself to go off the rails, to the point where you end up thinking, then acting out terrible things, then that's your fault and yours alone, it isn't a defence to simply say something along the lines of "some people are strange"
No I'm not.
I'm pointing out, that someone who has sex with a child doll as some kind of substitute, is doing so merely because it's the only way they can fulfil their perverted lust - but over time, the doll will cease to be effective, the progression would be to real a real child, people always want more - especially where sex is concerned.