Love Britain ? - Vote UKIP.

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Zethor said:
LOL
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you can laugh all you want,being against immigration based on the types of people who moved into my area has nothing to do with race and everything to do with how they act and behave.

if they are willing to learn English.
integrate into society
don't make the area a dump
Bring beneficial skills or are able to support themselves

then I welcome them with open arms but my opinion is shaped by my experiences in day to day life. it has nothing to do with someone's skin tone or racial background
 
D.P. said:
A) There is nothing wrong with anti-capitalism

B) climate change is not hysteria, it is very real and very dangerous.
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I guess what he meant was that climate change is just part and parcel of Earth - a natural process.

If not then I agree completely daft viewpoint. Minimising our impact is obviously worthwhile for longevity of our world and offspring. That doesn't mean you can't drive your v8 but it does mean we have to be more strategic with our resources and find ways of minimising our impact, either through energy use, recycling minimising waste of everything plus all the 10s of thousands of other things we can be doing to improve our tiny little existence in the universe.
 
arknor said:
I don't but something has to change and if everyone keeps voting the big3 it's not going to happen.

It's time to give another party a chance imo they can't do any worse.

farage comes across as the least out of touch the with common man to me, maybe a lot of it is BS but at least if it is he understands the regular joes unlike cameron and the guy I can't even remember his name because he has no backbone

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So there is no logical reason to believe the UKIP would deliver on their promises.

"It's time to give another party a chance imo they can't do any worse."

Quite the opposite really, things would be far, far worse if a single issue bigot party got any real party!
 
arknor said:
you can laugh all you want,being against immigration based on the types of people who moved into my area has nothing to do with race and everything to do with how they act and behave.

if they are willing to learn English.
integrate into society
don't make the area a dump
Bring beneficial skills or are able to support themselves

then I welcome them with open arms but my opinion is shaped by my experiences in day to day life. it has nothing to do with someone's skin tone or racial background
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Can we apply the same rules to non-immigrants as well? So all the chavs with terrible English that don't integrate, make many areas a complete dump and have no beneficial skills should be kicked out?

Why target the minority of immigrants with these issues than the much larger resident population? If these are the aspects you are most worried about then immigrants would be the least of your concern and you have much larger parts of society to deal with first.
 
Moradin said:
You are deluded if you think multiculturalism works.

Sects of Jews/Indians/Romas/Muslims keep to themselves, take over areas, do not integrate, barely speak our languange in many instances.

They want their own schools, shops, and laws, and churches. (and are getting them)

total, and complete failure to integrate.
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You chat some utter nonsense. Not that I agree with religions running schools but there has been Roman Catholic Schools and CoE schools in the UK for absolutely ages? What is wrong with the Jewish or Muslim community setting up schools for their own children?

Which laws? Name some please...

What is wrong with these communities setting up places of worship? There has been churches for the Christian community since time began.

As for the language that is the case not all immigrants are fluent in the English language but the children who are born in this country do and are integrating with people from other backgrounds. Some White British people also don't want to integrate with people from other races and religion from themselves.
 
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D.P. said:
Can we apply the same rules to non-immigrants as well? So all the chavs with terrible English that don't integrate, make many areas a complete dump and have no beneficial skills should be kicked out?

Why target the minority of immigrants with these issues than the much larger resident population? If these are the aspects you are most worried about then immigrants would be the least of your concern and you have much larger parts of society to deal with first.
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yea we can but the non immigrants around here whilst fairly rough looking are nothing but friendly to me and attempt to get along with the others who live here rather than ignoring them completely like they live in a different world.

even if they were bad neighbours where are they supposed to go? they don't really have much of a choice as a majority of them are trapped via relative poverty or benefits and for the most part clean up after themselves

the people coming here from other countries made a choice and had the opportunity to settle/work in a whole range of other countries during their journey.

If you are not prepared to adapt and fit into society then why should you be welcomed with open arms?
I'd imagine most of them aren't planning to stay in this area long term and that's why they don't seem to care about it.

much like travellers who just leave a huge wake behind them when they move on and keep to their own kind
 
I didn't give a stuff about immigration until I lived in Hull for 2 years..

Anyone who thinks that letting just about anyone in from Europe is a good and sustainable idea needs to get a reality check. We don't need more warehouse workers in this country :)

Ending EU immigration and putting strict limits on non-EU immigration needs to happen for a number of years for our infrastructure to catch up.
 
phil675 said:
Anyone who thinks that letting just about anyone in from Europe is a good and sustainable idea needs to get a reality check. We don't need more warehouse workers in this country :)

Ending EU immigration and putting strict limits on non-EU immigration needs to happen for a number of years for our infrastructure to catch up.
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The thing about EU migration is you can move to another country just they can migrate here. You're also making a massive assumption that all migrants from the EU are only here for the low-skilled jobs.

Leaving Europe wouldn't do us any good and anybody voting UKIP even as a so-called "protest vote" won't do us any good either. At least the EU keeps the current Government in check.
 
Freefaller said:
I guess what he meant was that climate change is just part and parcel of Earth - a natural process.

If not then I agree completely daft viewpoint. Minimising our impact is obviously worthwhile for longevity of our world and offspring. That doesn't mean you can't drive your v8 but it does mean we have to be more strategic with our resources and find ways of minimising our impact, either through energy use, recycling minimising waste of everything plus all the 10s of thousands of other things we can be doing to improve our tiny little existence in the universe.
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I'd rather that they raised taxes to pay for getting nuclear fusion up and running instead of plastering windmills all over that barely work and are subsidised to hell and back.

We crack the nuclear fusion riddle and all of a sudden climate change becomes much less of a problem.
 
LordSplodge said:
The thing about EU migration is you can move to another country just they can migrate here. You're also making a massive assumption that all migrants from the EU are only here for the low-skilled jobs.

Leaving Europe wouldn't do us any good and anybody voting UKIP even as a so-called "protest vote" won't do us any good either. At least the EU keeps the current Government in check.
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Well we don't have to completely end EU immigration but the free flow of people needs to stop, professions that are in demand are worth getting people in for, instead of making it harder for unemployed and young people get work.
 
kitch9 said:
I'd rather that they raised taxes to pay for getting nuclear fusion up and running instead of plastering windmills all over that barely work and are subsidised to hell and back.

We crack the nuclear fusion riddle and all of a sudden climate change becomes much less of a problem.
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Won't find me disagreeing - I'm a huge supporter of nuclear power. :)
 
kitch9 said:
I'd rather that they raised taxes to pay for getting nuclear fusion up and running instead of plastering windmills all over that barely work and are subsidised to hell and back.

We crack the nuclear fusion riddle and all of a sudden climate change becomes much less of a problem.
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I also wouldn't mind paying more taxes to go into fusion (and fission) research but you really need to get educated on the performance of windmills.

As for subsidies, nuclear is also subsidized to make it competitive.
 
Moradin said:
The traditional two main parties have been running this country for decades and decades.
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Lets take the running of the country from the 2 party's that have done it for years and give it to a party with no real plan and there main campaign is based on getting votes by ****ging off the other party's without giving any really reasonable details on how they (long term) can fix anything.

Its a Nope from me.

Moradin said:
But the mass body of its membership are ordinary people like myself,
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Lets let Ordinary people run the country. your average ordinary person is the last person in the world you would want running things as important as a hole country full of people.
 
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D.P. said:
The simple fact is the Green Parties manifesto is a million times more sound complete and workable than the UKIP's:
http://greenparty.org.uk/policies.html


Many very reasonably policies in there that covers most of the important issues. Compare with the UKIP
http://www.ukip.org/issues

where is the education, health, welfare, transport, housing, energy, economy? It is just a mindless, unstructured and repetitive single issue rant about foreigners and the EU with factual errors (e.g, save 55million a day, completely bogus misinformation).
A few tit-bits of general tat to get the Daily mail fan-base salivating. "Scrap HS2" , yeah because that will totally change the economic outcome of the next 20 years.

The UKIP official policy just looks like a practical joke someone played. Mindless, illogical, irrational nonsense. It is hard to comprehend how anyone with half a brain can take them seriously. The Monster Raving loony party seems like a more sensible option with sounder policies!
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The Green Party manifesto is "everybody will live happily ever after".

It's hard to take any party seriously that claims we can meet our energy needs without nuclear. Hint: we can't.

I applaud investment in renewables. I like wind & hydro. So does China. For all their new coal power stations, they also build more wind turbines than anyone else. China cares not for the NIMBYs, and I like that.

We need power more than some rich folks need scenic vistas from their bedroom windows.
 
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