Love Britain ? - Vote UKIP.

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deuse said:
Citation needed
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No citation needed - come to Blackpool and count how many Poles work in the town, in the hotels, in the restaurants, in the entertainment venues, at the Pleasure Beach etc.

Now go for a drive round Grange Park and down Central drive and see how many of the dossers drinking cheap cider and selling drugs are Polish.

The "Polish" areas of the town are actually some of the nicest maintained and safest parts of the town now.
 
Gilly said:
You may feel that they have a point WRT the EU, but that point has it's grounding in racism and xenophobia.
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They are not advocating closing our borders to Johnny foreigner though are they? Their message how I see it is that we should run a normal immigration policy that adds weight to people with desired skill sets? The rest of their "policies" are pretty much garbage of course.

I don't doubt for one second that they have idiot members who believe in closing our borders, but every party has idiots with extreme views which is not in line with the official party message.
 
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subbytna said:
You are joking right? :confused:

Benefits are why most come here. For every 10 immigrants who come here. 2-3 might want to work. The rest are getting free cash, housing, health care, schooling...Like the idle and workshy we have of our own, we're attracting the worlds idle and workshy too.
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This is complete and total rubbish. It's not even in the same room as reality.
 
Why is it nowadays people throw the word 'racist' or 'racism' round so easily?

On topic... outside of their unworkable immigration policies, what else have UKIP got? Farage is just trying to mop up all the people jumping off the Lib Dem bandwagon (*Cough* Students) and I don't blame him.

Labour lovers will always be Labour lovers, and any Right wing lover with half a brain will always vote Tory.

It was the confused but easily convinced students that gave the Lib Dems half a chance last time round... and he was a one trick pony (university fees) so one trick Farage should round up quite a few with his immigration policy, unfortunately.
 
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balky12 said:
Why is it nowadays people throw the word 'racist' or 'racism' round so easily?

On topic... outside of their unworkable immigration policies, what else have UKIP got? Farage is just trying to mop up all the people jumping off the Lib Dem bandwagon (*Cough* Students) and I don't blame him.

Labour lovers will always be Labour lovers, and any Right wing lover with half a brain will always vote Tory.

It was the confused but easily convinced students that gave the Lib Dems half a chance last time round... and he was a one trick pony (university fees) so one trick Farage should round up quite a few with his immigration policy, unfortunately.
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Their immigration policy hasn't been fleshed out really other then suggesting we need to have control of who comes here, which is what every other country on the planet outside of the EU does. Others seem to have workable systems, if I want to move to New Zealand for instance I need to find an employer or family member willing to sponsor me for quite a few years so I am not a burden on the country and provide proof I have the means to pay for myself.

New Zealand is supposed to be part of the British Commonwealth and its infinitely harder for a British citizen to move there. Illegal immigration is another matter entirely but thats pretty much a drop in the ocean compared to this discussion.
 
kitch9 said:
Their immigration policy hasn't been fleshed out really other then suggesting we need to have control of who comes here, which is what every other country on the planet outside of the EU does. Others seem to have workable systems, if I want to move to New Zealand for instance I need to find an employer or family member willing to sponsor me for quite a few years so I am not a burden on the country and provide proof I have the means to pay for myself.

New Zealand is supposed to be part of the British Commonwealth and its infinitely harder for a British citizen to move there.
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If they are really going for a Oz/ NZ style border control then I'm all for it as it benefits all. I believe they also make sure when applying for a holiday visa that you have a job to go back to and sufficient money to sustain your visit without working.

However some of the advertisement / language used by UKIP leaders would suggest a policy that is a little stronger. But still, beyond an imigration policy, what do they have?
 
balky12 said:
If they are really going for a Oz/ NZ style border control then I'm all for it as it benefits all. I believe they also make sure when applying for a holiday visa that you have a job to go back to and sufficient money to sustain your visit without working.

However some of the advertisement / language used by UKIP leaders would suggest a policy that is a little stronger. But still, beyond an imigration policy, what do they have?
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They regularly mention the Aus system as one of preference, and beyond immigration they have nothing really.
 
deuse said:
My proof of what? And again citation needed on what you said.

Or do I have to be bald and look at your mrs to get a answer?
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The man made a claim first, not me. The burden of proof lies with him, or would you disagree with that?

Have you ever experienced racial hatred? Would you defend your partner if she was an ethnic minority and felt that someone was becoming aggressive because of her race? Or would you wait until the guy started mouthing off at your before moving away or reacting? **** you is all I can say. If you had been there, you would have understood. It's called instinct and the ability to read body language, and most people have it.
 
Right, well if you are insisting on ignoring the fact that his comments were backed up with nothing, then I'll continue.

Figure 1 here states that there are 6 million immigrants in the UK.

Figure 2 here states that 13.6% of employed people in the UK are migrants.

This states that 34.83 million people are employable (32.49m labour force and 2.34m unemployed).

13.6% of 34.83 million is 4.74 million employed, which is 79% of immigrants employed.

I'm not going to look up the demographic of immigrants to this country, but I feel fairly confident in saying that 21% could be made up primarily of children.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Right, well if you are insisting on ignoring the fact that his comments were backed up with nothing, then I'll continue.

Figure 1 here states that there are 6 million immigrants in the UK.

Figure 2 here states that 13.6% of employed people in the UK are migrants.

This states that 34.83 million people are employable (32.49m labour force and 2.34m unemployed).

13.6% of 34.83 million is 4.74 million employed, which is 79% of immigrants employed.

I'm not going to look up the demographic of immigrants to this country, but I feel fairly confident in saying that 21% could be made up primarily of children.
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Whilst I tend to agree with your standpoint on this it does get quite confusing when it comes to stats re employed, unemployed, employable. 6 million migrants are the ones they know about. 13.6% workforce are the ones working legally. People on benefits (immigrant or not) will not appear on either of those stats (unemplyed or employable)
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I appreciate what you're saying, but surely then the viewpoint of someone with the opposing view to mine is basing their argument on equally unreliable statistics.
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In short, yes.

Unfortunately the thing with stats is that they can be collated to give any answer you want more or less. There will always be stats that suggest otherwise. Lies damn lies and statistics.

With regards to immigrants and work force. A lot of them are doing jobs us English wouldn't do. Are they underpricing us? Probably in some areas / work forces. If people are worried about an immigrant coming and taking their job, they probably should have tried harder at school.

There are enough jobs out there for people. Just have to maybe work harder / lower expectations.
 
amigafan2003 said:
So how does Japan cope? Or Belgium, or the Netherlands, or Israel? All have significantly higher population density than us but maintain a similar (or higher) living standard?
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slow population growth, and did you not read i said space is not the issue so why on earth are you bringing population density into it?

we need to expand our services before we increase the numbers, as we're seeing now they're al struggling under the pressure of too many people too quickly with very little expansion of them in the same time.


seriously though how from "space is not the issue" did you get population density being an issue?
 
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