Love Britain ? - Vote UKIP.

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Keep it as a trade union (what it was originally set up to be). Everything else can go. (Euro/ freedom of movement/ EU Parliment/ etc.)

That's not to say I am against immigration...

No, balky, everything else can't go. The EU is here to stay as close cooperation at the political level is proven to be more effective than total independence. The question is, will the UK stay and thus have a say in how the EU is governed or will it leave it and have no say whatsoever, similar to Switzerland and Norway? No matter how much Farage rants on or how many votes he gets, I doubt any UK govt. will make the huge mistake of giving up so much power for nothing.

Am I a racist for saying 'Blacks cause most knife crime in central London'?

Considering that blacks cause most knife crime in central London, is it worrying, in your opinion, that the birth rates of blacks in the area are much higher than the birth rates of whites?
 
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It's all gone quite in here. Where are those who think ukip are racist what are your views now that it's shown that shock horror minorities hold key posts and have challenged for leadership?
 
Well if they stopped with the racist rhetoric, stopped making racist statements, stopped spreading racist party flyers, stopped letting openly racist members run for election, and got rid of their racist policies. That would do it for me.

Individual idiots is not party policy go back and read post on Diane abbott. Some of them are probably plants I find it suspicious that they have waited until now to stick their heads up to make these remarks.
 
These left wing extremists really are getting desperate lol

Bomb squad called to deal with packages addressed to UKIP

Bomb disposal experts were called out after two suspicious packages were found at the Royal Mail sorting centre in Peterborough on Thursday, 1 May, addressed to the UK Independence Party (UKIP).

The alarm was sounded at about noon after staff at the sorting centre, in Papyrus Road, Werrington, became concerned about messages taped to two parcels.

The packages were immediately isolated and the police and bomb disposal unit alerted.

Ordnance experts X-rayed the packages which were found to contain excrement. Senior staff then disposed of both parcels, which had been addressed to premises in Torquay, south Devon.

A Royal Mail spokeswoman said: “We can confirm that two suspect packages were found at the Royal Mail’s Mail Centre at Peterborough at lunchtime.

“The police and bomb disposal team attended and the all clear was given.

“The two items have now been disposed of. The building was not evacuated because the parcels were securely isolated and our collection and sorting operations which are carried out at the mail centre were not affected.”

A police spokesman said: “Explosives ordnance disposal experts attended as a precaution.”

He said messages taped to the parcels had given rise to concerns by staff.

The police spokesman said the packages were addressed to the political party UKIP, their headquarters are in Newton Abbot, in south Devon.

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/...eal-with-packages-addressed-to-ukip-1-6044863
 
Well if they stopped with the racist rhetoric, stopped making racist statements, stopped spreading racist party flyers, stopped letting openly racist members run for election, and got rid of their racist policies. That would do it for me.

The problem here is your ridiculous view that getting stricter on immigration = racism.

Also blaming the whole party for a couple of actual racist idiots who slipped through the net is also ridiculous
 
Individual idiots is not party policy go back and read post on Diane abbott. Some of them are probably plants I find it suspicious that they have waited until now to stick their heads up to make these remarks.

I would certainly agree that it's all a little too convenient, and there are probably plants on all sides to try and help sling mud.

However the reason it's coming to the fore now is presumably because UKIP are receiving a lot more press.
 
The problem here is your ridiculous view that getting stricter on immigration = racism.

The funniest thing about this is that UKIP don't plan to get stricter on immigration, they just say "we will do this" while ignoring the fact the current government are already doing more XD (Immigration has been reduced by more than UKIP intended to in their 2010 manifesto).
 
No, balky, everything else can't go. The EU is here to stay as close cooperation at the political level is proven to be more effective than total independence. The question is, will the UK stay and thus have a say in how the EU is governed or will it leave it and have no say whatsoever, similar to Switzerland and Norway? No matter how much Farage rants on or how many votes he gets, I doubt any UK govt. will make the huge mistake of giving up so much power for nothing.

Everything else *could* go. I think they in/out referendum will yield a shock result (if it ever happens).

We are listening to the same old story with regards of us pulling out the EU as we did with not joining the Euro. Foreign investement will stop. Trade with us will stop. Truth of the matter is none of that happened. In fact we were massively better off not joining the Euro, it's the only thing that kept us afloat during the crunch. Otherwise we would have been right behind Greece and Ireland.

True it's not a carbon copy of that scenario. But will trade or investment stop? Never. You say we have a say in how EU is governed, we don't really have a huge amount of say now. They make laws, then enforce them, atleast that's how it appears to be.
 
I see where this is going :rolleyes:

The fact that you "see" where this is going is why both you and The Running Man, as well as many of the UKIP supporters are racists or xenophobes.

My question has a very simple answer: No. More black babies being born is not something to worry about because there's no difference between a black baby and a white baby which is why someone who isn't a racist doesn't need more than two seconds to answer "No." . You two are racist but due to society no longer tolerating racism, you avoid to express it upfront yet you can't deny it either, it's part of who you are.

True it's not a carbon copy of that scenario. But will trade or investment stop? Never. You say we have a say in how EU is governed, we don't really have a huge amount of say now. They make laws, then enforce them, atleast that's how it appears to be.

Who are "they"?
You really need a reality check. 80% of the EU legislation is decided on by France, Germany and the UK, either directly or through their political/financial influention.
 
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I asked if you considered high birth rates among blacks worrying, a question which can be answered with yes or no.

Do I worry about it? Nit particularly. Is it a positive thing for the country? Unsure probably not ideal when you have any single minority outgrowing the main population .

do you think it to be an ideal thing to strive for?
 
The fact that you "see" where this is going is why both you and The Running Man, as well as many of the UKIP supporters are racists or xenophobes.

My question has a very simple answer: No. More black babies being born is not something to worry about because there's no difference between a black baby and a white baby which is why someone who isn't a racist doesn't need more than two seconds to answer "No." . You two are racist but due to society no longer tolerating racism, you avoid to express it upfront but you can't deny it either, it's part of who you are.



Who are "they"?
You really need a reality check. 80% of the EU legislation is decided on by France, Germany and the UK, either directly or through their political/financial influention.

Fact that you think I am a UKIP supporter is funny. Do you pick and choose what replies you want to read?

You are right, when a white or black baby is born there is no difference. However, It's the upbringing that moulds them. Higher birth rates amongst black Africans in central London where there is a big gang and knife culture is something to be wary of.

Anyways, the earlier statement re blacks and knife crime was to see people's reactions. You seem to have bitten and highlighted my point. At the same time you completely ignored the article I linked in the previous page blaming the indigenous people for the current working environment.
 
The fact that you "see" where this is going is why both you and The Running Man, as well as many of the UKIP supporters are racists or xenophobes.

My question has a very simple answer: No. More black babies being born is not something to worry about because there's no difference between a black baby and a white baby which is why someone who isn't a racist doesn't need more than two seconds to answer "No." . You two are racist but due to society no longer tolerating racism, you avoid to express it upfront yet you can't deny it either, it's part of who you are.

I would be concerned. Even if we accept that black and white children are born equal in all respects, their upbringing will be different due to their parents cultural influence.

Also, higher birth rates amongst an ethnic minority are going to rapidly change the face of Britain. If we suddenly find our population is 15% African or Muslim, this is going to have a massive impact on our culture, politics and way of life.

The high birth rates are in themselves indicative of a problem.
 
To set you straight as well. I am not a racist. So I would appreciate it if you stopped hurling that word around. Especially so easily.

Feel free to quote me where I have been discriminating against a particular race on the other hand.
 
Slightly off at a tangent, but Tony Blair's decision to scrap polytechnics and make them universities (thus tripling the amount of unis overnight and so the amount of students) was probably the worse thing this country did. Smack on that his aim of having 50% degree educated and we are where we are today.

Students going to ****e Universities, studying half baked degrees (photography, sociology, David Beckham Football studies, etc.) a huge amount treating it as a 3 year **** up and leaving with nothing, and all the while expecting to leave and walk into a £30k/£40k salary just because they have a piece of paper.

Who advised Government that we needed 50% of the population degree educated anyways?
In the past 30-40 years we have seen a rapidly increasing supply of labour combined with a rapidly decreasing supply of jobs.

In the past 40 years we have seen: 'liberalisation' of the workforce - previously it was the norm to have 1 parent working per household. The introduction of women into the workforce, where now it seems the 'stay at home mother' is the most hated demographic by the likes of the Labour party (how dare they put family before stressing themselves into oblivion to find a god awful job as a middle manager), has effectively DOUBLED the supply of labour in certain industries. I don't see any doubling of the number of jobs available.

Secondly, over the past 40 years we have seen the complete uninterrupted outsourcing of every single job possible to Asia. It isn't just textile industries making teddy bears. It's high technology industries, British technologly, British Company, British Name - but the workforce is in China. The number of jobs lost in the west is absolutely monumental, it is 10s of millions http://www.ibtimes.com/28-million-us-jobs-lost-china-joined-wto-study-316232. There is one Ipad factory in China that employs 100k people that I read about - imagine if that factory was here in the UK. Obviously, I expect people to arrogantly dismiss the worth of these jobs, but I say: enjoy living off the government then, because that is who has had to pick up the bill for the devastation this outsourcing has caused.

Even in those Clegg/Farage debates, Clegg had the audacity to use an example of a Ford factory leaving the UK and why it HAD to stay in the EU - only for it later to emerge that the factory had been moved to TURKEY.

It isn't just manufacturing industries either, service industries are also lost - we all know the problems we have with Indian call centres. But what about maintenance industries, for perhaps our communication networks? Other than the man being sent to literally fix a mobile base station, with the internet now it makes no difference whether the control 'hub' for Telefonica in the UK is based in Slough, Leeds, or the Phillipines. No difference at all. In time, where do you think these jobs will go? I lived with a Radio Planner in Sweden, 80 jobs were lost from highly skilled Engineers when their office was relocated to Asia in 2012. The same will happen, in time over here.

And then lastly, we have also had immigration on a scale of several orders of magnitude greater than anything in history. These people coming here are not in the majority specialised Professors, or Engineers, or Doctors, they are just the average 'prole' who at best does nothing other than further increase the supply of labour, and at worst the list can go on forever.

If you have common sense and can see the basic principle of supply and demand, you can work out that with these factors, wages for the majority of people in the west are only going to go one way, and that is down - and they have done. We are in a generation now where it is now just expected that the government tops up your wages to a livable level.

Increasing the number of people going to university, was probably just a way of trying to alleviate some pressure on the jobs market, because the Government either doesn't want to, or is too spineless to address the other issues.
If 2 million people were taken out of university and had to find jobs what do you think would happen?
 
I would be concerned. Even if we accept that black and white children are born equal in all respects, their upbringing will be different due to their parents cultural influence.

Also, higher birth rates amongst an ethnic minority are going to rapidly change the face of Britain. If we suddenly find our population is 15% African or Muslim, this is going to have a massive impact on our culture, politics and way of life.

The high birth rates are in themselves indicative of a problem.

Well you see the problem for me is that we fear what we don't' understand given that we right now are evolving our own culture.

Look at Gay rights now compared to 50 years ago.

Look at the Christian : Atheist : Agnostic situation.

We can't claim our culture is being lost when it's evolving all the time. The Fact people even want sharia law is a sign that they are scared of losing their control and cultural identity. Just like you are......

Progression requires an evolution of this identity and UKIP don't represent that progression. They represent a fear of it and wish to hold us back or to coin the sort of phrase the sun and express use. "keep us British" OR make Britain "Great" again.
 
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