Madeleine McCann cops ask Home Office for more money to continue search for missing child
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I do think we really need to stop spending money on this though...becomes a bit much.
If the parents are innocent and have told the whole truth I can't begin to imagine the pain. I struggle when my 6 year old is out of my sight...
If the parents are innocent and have told the whole truth I can't begin to imagine the pain. I struggle when my 6 year old is out of my sight...
Soldato
I personally think they had something to do with her disappearance, just to many things don't add up.
Interesting read here:
http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm
Apologies if it's already been posted.
Interesting read here:
http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm
Apologies if it's already been posted.
Man of Honour
The primary reasons lots of people seem to think that they are guilty appear to boil down to:
The mother didn't cry for the cameras
The parents are middle-class
They left the kids unattended to go to really middle-class meal
Everyone loved a good conspiracy theory
The Portugese police are experts at leaking lies to the press, which the press reprint without thinking.
It's obvious, init?
Given that our police have been on the job 11 years and have found zero anything maybe its time to stop beating the Portugese police with the incompetence bat as our best haven't exactly shined. For me the abduction thing falls down because if she was abducted on impulse by some unknown kidnapper does he take the child whose own parents described as a loud child or one of the quieter younger ones which would have also been easier to handle. If we go with a planned abduction then the parents were routinely leaving their young children alone in the evenings obviously for sufficient time for said kidnapper to take one child but then why just take one when others are there. Abduction doesnt make sense to me i dont buy that the parents went to portugal to kill one of their kids but i do believe they are involved in covering up the death, they drugged maddie maybe after some bar time they screwed up the dose came back found her dead or they under dosed her she wakes up groggy after they have left looks for them opens or tries to open the window falls smacks her head badly enough to die or breaks her neck.
As to why they would cover up such an incident is pretty obvious neglegence charges, improper use of medications and the career ending furore that would follow i mean lets be honest who here would be happy to have kate mccann as a GP or Gerry doing surgery if that had come out and that's even if they still kept their jobs. I also cannot understand why the british police did not have them as suspects which would be perfectly normal and instead only ever investigated the abduction angle which I'd understand if the resort had a history of child abductions (of course if it did what parent in their right mind would holiday there and leave their kids unattended). The calm and calculating behaviour of them in interviews was disconcerting to see as most parents would be anything but, though that could just be their personality even so they were appropriate as suspects and absolutely should have been official suspects of the british british police.
The continued funding is not acceptable anymore given the situation in the UK i have two friends who have been burgled in the last six months you guys may know others and all they got was a crime number no investigation didn't even get an officer popping by because they don't have the resources anymore so burglary, tresspass and vandalism are basically free crimes now. Burglary seems trivial compared to other crimes but has an horrendous psychological impact on families that suffer it that not investigating but finding plenty of resources for hate crime\speech units and this crime is a smack in the face to those victims.
The death of a child under any circumstances hits all of us perhaps in different ways but all of us in one way that we would rather die then a child parents especially so and while I don't believe there was malice or evil in the mc'canns there is responsibility beyond what they publicaly admit and there is a lot more to that night then we or the police know.
As to why they would cover up such an incident is pretty obvious neglegence charges, improper use of medications and the career ending furore that would follow i mean lets be honest who here would be happy to have kate mccann as a GP or Gerry doing surgery if that had come out and that's even if they still kept their jobs. I also cannot understand why the british police did not have them as suspects which would be perfectly normal and instead only ever investigated the abduction angle which I'd understand if the resort had a history of child abductions (of course if it did what parent in their right mind would holiday there and leave their kids unattended). The calm and calculating behaviour of them in interviews was disconcerting to see as most parents would be anything but, though that could just be their personality even so they were appropriate as suspects and absolutely should have been official suspects of the british british police.
The continued funding is not acceptable anymore given the situation in the UK i have two friends who have been burgled in the last six months you guys may know others and all they got was a crime number no investigation didn't even get an officer popping by because they don't have the resources anymore so burglary, tresspass and vandalism are basically free crimes now. Burglary seems trivial compared to other crimes but has an horrendous psychological impact on families that suffer it that not investigating but finding plenty of resources for hate crime\speech units and this crime is a smack in the face to those victims.
The death of a child under any circumstances hits all of us perhaps in different ways but all of us in one way that we would rather die then a child parents especially so and while I don't believe there was malice or evil in the mc'canns there is responsibility beyond what they publicaly admit and there is a lot more to that night then we or the police know.
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I've had to put up with endless theories at work after that documentary. What's more likely? she was snatched and the investigation was botched from start to finish by an incompetent Portuguese legal system or they killed her and disposed of the body in-between casual drinks with holiday friends and the whole party decided to cover it up .
I'm curious where the certainty of the parents innocence comes from given one investigation was not very well done and the british effort was handicapped before they got started and if this was some working class family there would have been no limiting of the investigation by british police.
When was the last time maddie was seen, in other words how long did the Mccann's have to move her via car and where would they put her. I believe the Mccann's used their car various times that day?
Your just seeing modern day British policing at work compared to say Portuguese policing. As you said no policeman is a fool especially not a detective, they are specifically picked and trained as they have the right attributes for the job. Now the Portuguese wanted to blame the Mccann's, interrogate them and charge them, however I'm sure pressure from our end stopped this. Pure, innocent before proven guilty version.
It's how our police/legal system works, they could believe 100% the Mccann's did it but if not enough evidence in a court of law then they won't prosecute.
The Jeremy Bamber case was a slightly different as the police did have evidence however ruined the crime scene before they worked out what was going on so they just reconstructed as much as they could and charged him.
Surely there would be more forensic evidence if an abductor had crept through the window or door. The Mccann's are still in a total state of shock to this day which is kind of unusual, you would have thought that they would have accepted it in their hearts by now and let Maddie go as they have missed her childhood anyway yet they are still exactly the same as they were at the start. Doesn't mean they are guilty but they are people who have been around others a lot, their jobs, social life etc, they work in hospitals, it's not as if they've lived as shrinking violets. However who would want to be put through that kind of media attention all the problems it would cause, maybe they are still overwhelmed by the whole thing.
Another interesting case was that of Peter Falconio who went missing in Australia, initially his girlfriend was semi accused as she was acting in a way that was not deemed within the bounds of how you should act with regard to how the Aussies do things. She went through a tough time, trial by media etc, the real killer was eventually found years later. Clash of cultures at play.
I understand your frustrated reaction SGF.
Like Sexy Grey Fox, I don’t agree with your thesis, but it would be so much easier to follow if you used punctuation.
Man of Honour
People fail to realise there were 9 adults involved who were all taking turns in looking in on ALL the kids.
At 9:30pm Matthew Oldfield, one of the friends, offers to check on the McCanns' children while he checks his own kids in the next door apartment. He says everything is fine when he returns.
At 10pm Kate goes back to the apartment and notices that the children's bedroom door is open. As she goes to close it slightly, it is slammed shut by a breeze. She goes into the room and notices Madeleine isn't there. She raises the alarm.
We can assume that Matthew Oldfield was as quick as he could be because he was also leaving his kids while he found it more important to get back to drinks. We could also assume that perhaps Matthew Oldfield was the chief suspect since he was the last one to see her but amazingly nobody is going after him.
So if Kate saw the dead body she had seconds to dispose of it before raising the alarm.
Soldato
The whole bunch of them should have been charged with neglect by the Social Services at least.
If it had been a bunch from a Council Housing estate on Benefits it would have been a whole different story.
If it had been a bunch from a Council Housing estate on Benefits it would have been a whole different story.
People with the phone number of the prime minister and celebrity friends aren't "middle class".
Soldato
I'm so glad there isn't a McCann thread drinking game. I'd be drunk by the end of this post alone.
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Much as I don't disagree overall, did Matthew Oldfield not state that when he came to the McCann's he heard the place quiet, thus didn't enter, and didn't physically see any of the children when he checked?
Soldato
I was watching the True Geordie podcast on youtube yesterday. I recommend it to the people on this thread. I'm not sure if I should post a youtube video link here. But just look up: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann | True Geordie Podcast #112.
They make some very interesting points about the case.
They make some very interesting points about the case.
I thought the documentary was excellent. It took on some of the preconceptions I'm sure many have about whether the McCann's were involved and successfully dispelled them.
There's no doubting they were neglectful in the system they had to check on the kids, but that doesn't mean everything past that isn't heartbreaking for them. I sincerely hope the authorities don't stop looking, and they find their daughter in the future. I definitely see the whole thing in a different light after the documentary.
That's right. The last time anyone other than the McCanns or the Tapas 7 saw Madeleine was when they left the creche at around 1730. The last time anyone other than the McCanns saw her was when David Payne went to check on Kate and the kids at Gerry's request. Kate thinks Payne was there for 30 seconds whereas Gerry reckons he was gone for 25 minutes. 2100 Kate and Gerry go out for dinner. 2130 Matt Oldfield goes to check, but just listens at the door. 2200 Kate checks and finds that Maddie has been taken.
The timeline is full of holes and the checking mechanism was totally flawed.
For what it's worth, the Australian podcast "Maddie" is (so far) an impartial investigation into the facts around the case, and is definitely worth a listen. Timeline info above is taken from the website making that podcast. https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/04...n-what-happened-on-night-she-vanished-podcast
Caporegime
Most people would struggle to recall specifics, especially after a state of panic and being up for god knows how many hours the disappearance, there's a well known phenomenon of what happens to peoples memory recall after traumatic events.
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