Madeleine McCann cops ask Home Office for more money to continue search for missing child

if she was found alive I wonder if she would ever forgive her parents.

can you imagine being locked up as someone's sex slave from that age, probably would have given birth to multiple children as we know happens.
probably being told her parents didn't love her that's why they left her alone.

all because her parents decided to leave her and her siblings alone at a ridiculous age so they could go enjoy a drink with friends.

she wouldnt be this innocent child anymore and surely she would hate her parents
 
Just when I got sick of hearing about this case on the news, can't believe it's come back to haunt us again!

And seriously why withhold this persons surname when his face has been plastered on the news? :rolleyes:

SexyGreyFox said:
The old 'Neglect' accusation has come up again so some of you need to know what Neglect is in this country.
Do I agree with it? - No but the law is the law -
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You are deliberately (I hope) missing the point, the inference is that the parents were negligent, no one is making a specific reference to English law terminology.
 
Energize said:
Just when I got sick of hearing about this case on the news, can't believe it's come back to haunt us again!

And seriously why withhold this persons surname when his face has been plastered on the news? :rolleyes:



You are deliberately (I hope) missing the point, the inference is that the parents were negligent, no one is making a specific reference to English law terminology.
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SexyGreyFox said:
A child's basic needs, such as food, clothing or shelter, are not met or they aren'y properly supervised or kept safe.
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the kids werent supervised or kept safe? which is how one is missing?
 
SexyGreyFox said:
The old 'Neglect' accusation has come up again so some of you need to know what Neglect is in this country.
Do I agree with it? - No but the law is the law -
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Edit: i see you appear to reside in Portugal and so are refering to Portuguese and not English /Welsh law.

In the Uk the Mcanns absolutely could be prosecuted for child neglect in the circumstances they left their children.

Here is a recent case of a mum charged where she had left her children for half an hour

A mum left her two young children alone at night to buy cigarettes and collect hair straighteners....

.... The Stockton woman, who is in her 30s, has narrowly avoided jail after admitting neglecting the youngsters last month.....

.... Ms Stapelton, prosecuting, added that the defendant "left the children alone for between 20 to 30 minutes".
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Caracus2k said:
Edit: i see you appear to reside in Portugal and so are refering to Portuguese and not English /Welsh law.
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I'm in England, attend Child Protection lectures and the quote was from the NSPCC web pages.
This subject comes up all the time at meetings and parents sitting 200 to 300 yards from a building with their children in would never lead to a prosecution.
Also the hotel provided a legal listening service every 1 hour but the Tapas Seven decided they would do it every 30 minutes.
Once again I don't agree because I have never left my kids.

Here you go knock yourself out, I don't agree with it but it's there in writing

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/neglect/

and in your story about the Cleveland woman she went to Tesco, BP garage, and two friend's house and says she only left them for 20 minutes - the Judge didn't believe her but she didn't go to jail or have a fine so basically nothing happened.

As in the NSPCC Guidelines Neglect has to be ongoing and causing major distress over a period of time, it's horrible when we have to get involved and we will be one department out of around 10 different departments who all have to agree.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
This subject comes up all the time at meetings and parents sitting 200 to 300 yards from a building with their children in would never lead to a prosecution.
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I don't think the suggestion that you can be a few hundred yards away from young children even for relatively short period of times and not expect to be dealt with by the police in the UK stands up to scrutiny.

This woman was arrested for child neglect after leaving a two and three year old alone whilst she dropped her mum home a few hundred yards away.

‘Her mum lives just a few hundred yards away and she was only gone a few minutes.’

I know there's the drink drive aspect in this case aswell but that's not anymore relevant to the child neglect angle than parents drinking in a hotel would be.

Tim Haines was arrested and initially convicted for child neglect for leaving his two year old daughter in a car when he went into a shop to buy Calpol. Presumably he was far closer to his daughter and was away for far less time than the McCanns were away from their children.

He may have won his appeal but his initial arrest and conviction suggest it was very much an edge case given the circumstances.

I have personal knowledge of cases where parents have been dealt with by the police for leaving young children as they did things like attend local shops (also within a few hundred yards) and were only away from their addresses for around 10-15 minutes.

The NSPCC neither arrest suspect nor prosecute criminal cases in the UK.

Their advice is as follows

  • Babies and toddlers should never be left alone.
  • Children under 12 years old shouldn't be left home alone for long.
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Madeline was three when she went missing (would have been 4 shortly afterwards). So not quite a toddler but not that much older than one. However her siblings were two at the time and so very much would fall in the range of toddler.

The NSPCC would clearly not say it was appropriate to leave children of that age alone for periods of half an hour.
 
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arknor said:
if she was found alive I wonder if she would ever forgive her parents.

can you imagine being locked up as someone's sex slave from that age, probably would have given birth to multiple children as we know happens.
probably being told her parents didn't love her that's why they left her alone.

all because her parents decided to leave her and her siblings alone at a ridiculous age so they could go enjoy a drink with friends.

she wouldnt be this innocent child anymore and surely she would hate her parents
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She wouldn't even know them let alone remember them. 3 - 16.
 
Caracus2k said:
This woman was arrested for child neglect after leaving a two and three year old alone whilst she dropped her mum home a few hundred yards away.
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She was drunk in a car with a 3rd child and given a conditional caution so once again nothing happened.

I know it's hard to digest and I'm involved in cases but NEGLECT is a big word that is usually ongoing and parents leaving their kids in an holiday apartment while they have a drink several hundred yards away which 1000s upon 1000s of people still do on holiday won't get very far with the authorities.
I don't like it but there it is.

Example, let's say your neighbours put the kids to bed, go down the pub on the corner so you rightfully dob them in, what would you think would happen?
Yes, they would get a telling off, maybe social would be called and they would be logged but they wouldn't have the kids taken away or be sent to prison, that would only happen if it was ongoing.

Caracus2k said:
The NSPCC would clearly not say it was appropriate to leave children of that age alone for periods of half an hour.
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You are 100% correct but read above, nothing would happen unless it was ongoing.
And the Tapas Seven were checking in on them every half an hour (well they said they were checking every half an hour and confirmed that at interviews).
 
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It takes less then 30 minutes for a child to drown or injure themselves in another way, if that had been the case instead of an abduction would that be a case of neglect?

Probably more likely to be prosecuted I bet.
 
Sasahara said:
It takes less then 30 minutes for a child to drown or injure themselves in another way, if that had been the case instead of an abduction would that be a case of neglect?

Probably more likely to be prosecuted I bet.
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Presumably (say if the kid had choked on a pen lid) it would then just be a "tragic accident"...

I mean in my mind the parents would be absolutely at fault, but I guess some people here would give them a free pass in that situation (@stockhausen :p)
 
FoxEye said:
Presumably (say if the kid had choked on a pen lid) it would then just be a "tragic accident"...

I mean in my mind the parents would be absolutely at fault, but I guess some people here would give them a free pass in that situation (@stockhausen :p)
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And the richer and better connected you are, the greater chance of a free pass for sure. :(
 
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German prosecutors say they have evidence Madeleine McCann is dead and they are appealing to British tourists for information about the new suspect.

Hans Christian Wolters, from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office, said police need more information about where the new suspect, named only as Christian B, has lived so police can search for Madeleine's body.
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(Source).

If I were the McCanns, I'd be settling in for a nice hot mug of vindication.
 
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