Madeleine McCann cops ask Home Office for more money to continue search for missing child

The "Bakewell Tart" murder was an example of the police and prosecution being adamant about an innocent man being guilty, some would say they stitched him up to get a result and commendation, so I tend to be somewhat dubious of claims like we are now seeing in the Mc.Cann investigations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Wendy_Sewell

I am not unduly concerned about the rights of a known paedophile, more that in convicting the wrong person the true perpetrators remain at large and unpunished.
 
StriderX said:
I suppose.

On the topic of recent developments, is the current suspect the real one or just a convenient scapegoat to end the investigation?
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I think they have his phone GPS tracked to near the resort on the night in question. They also have a witness who saw him confess all. They will have interviews too. If he denied been at the resort it would start to look worse for him. All of that alone should be enough to convict. If they found any of Madelines DNA in his camper van it would be game set and match
 
Chris Wilson said:
Because, Mr Liberal, others are not so gullible as to accept that many perverts can be reformed, (like terrorists), and these social experiments by liberals have resulted in terrible crimes being committed that long term incarceration would have avoided. I don't give them any benefit of the doubt and the best help they can be given is a cell. I am finding your blase attitude to criminality and perverts very troubling given you say you are a Special Constable.
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I agree based on statistics that peadophiles who have commited rape/grooming are irreformable. But what about those that have predilection to be attracted to young people but don't act on it? I came across someone on a documentary who admited he was attracted to children but didn't act on it and never intended as he knew it was wrong.

I once saw a Louis Theroux documentary about a brothel. And one of the girls was of legal age but looked much younger. They were saying this is the type of girl a peadophile will go for and it's much better he visits this prostitute than take out his desires on children.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I agree based on statistics that peadophiles who have commited rape/grooming are irreformable. But what about those that have predilection to be attracted to young people but don't act on it? I came across someone on a documentary who admited he was attracted to children but didn't act on it and never intended as he knew it was wrong.

I once saw a Louis Theroux documentary about a brothel. And one of the girls was of legal age but looked much younger. They were saying this is the type of girl a peadophile will go for and it's much better he visits this prostitute than take out his desires on children.
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And yet sex dolls that look like children are illegal to own.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I can see why, because these type of perversions can escalate as a form of classical conditioning to the level where after using such a doll they move on to commit crimes against children.
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But arguably they stop such people expressing their predilections on actual children.

I've played call of duty, I've never gone on a mass shooting spree.
 
Dis86 said:
But arguably they stop such people expressing their predilections on actual children.

I've played call of duty, I've never gone on a mass shooting spree.
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Yes but I think it's a bit different. Sexual conditioning, the reinforcing of sexual ideas form peoples sexual desires. If it increases someones desires to have sex with a child would they be more likely to do so?

We know Sarah Everard's murderer had mysoginistic abusive porn on his computer. It surely played a role in him building up the desire to capture and rape a woman. Days before he flashed someone in a McDonald's. Usually criminal behaviours get worse and the starting point maybe something criminal, ie porn, which becomes a slippery slope.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I think they have his phone GPS tracked to near the resort on the night in question. They also have a witness who saw him confess all. They will have interviews too. If he denied been at the resort it would start to look worse for him. All of that alone should be enough to convict. If they found any of Madelines DNA in his camper van it would be game set and match
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Hmm, sorry Andrew, DNA evidence would be pretty damning, but just being proven his phone was around the area of the resort and an alleged hearing of a confession by a person whose veracity may not be 100% trustworthy, would not necessarily sway me as a juror. There's been a LOT of publicity over this case, a controversial book written by a case officer, (then condemned and withdrawn), and it's all become very messy. There also appears some competitiveness between police forces, none of this helps and only a pretty cast iron case might pass scrutiny by a truly impartial jury.

Such have been the financial resources, man hours and publicity over the Mc.Cann case I can quite understand relatives of other children who have disappeared under mysterious circumstances feeling somewhat bitter. I feel this case has ben propelled as much by the media and a far from media shy set of police forces as by a genuine and balanced desire to find the answers.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
Yes but I think it's a bit different. Sexual conditioning, the reinforcing of sexual ideas form peoples sexual desires. If it increases someones desires to have sex with a child would they be more likely to do so?

We know Sarah Everard's murderer had mysoginistic abusive porn on his computer. It surely played a role in him building up the desire to capture and rape a woman. Days before he flashed someone in a McDonald's. Usually criminal behaviours get worse and the starting point maybe something criminal, ie porn, which becomes a slippery slope.
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Maybe it all started with a stolen Jaffa cake ;) But seriously, I take this point aboard and probably agree. Weirdos are going to weirdo and become weirder.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
Yes but I think it's a bit different. Sexual conditioning, the reinforcing of sexual ideas form peoples sexual desires. If it increases someones desires to have sex with a child would they be more likely to do so?

We know Sarah Everard's murderer had mysoginistic abusive porn on his computer. It surely played a role in him building up the desire to capture and rape a woman. Days before he flashed someone in a McDonald's. Usually criminal behaviours get worse and the starting point maybe something criminal, ie porn, which becomes a slippery slope.
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Is boxing a gateway to beating the crap out of random people?
 
Chris Wilson said:
Hmm, sorry Andrew, DNA evidence would be pretty damning, but just being proven his phone was around the area of the resort and an alleged hearing of a confession by a person whose veracity may not be 100% trustworthy, would not necessarily sway me as a juror. There's been a LOT of publicity over this case, a controversial book written by a case officer, (then condemned and withdrawn), and it's all become very messy. There also appears some competitiveness between police forces, none of this helps and only a pretty cast iron case might pass scrutiny by a truly impartial jury.

Such have been the financial resources, man hours and publicity over the Mc.Cann case I can quite understand relatives of other children who have disappeared under mysterious circumstances feeling somewhat bitter. I feel this case has ben propelled as much by the media and a far from media shy set of police forces as by a genuine and balanced desire to find the answers.
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Hi Chris, people have been commited with less than they currently have. This man got convicted and the only evidence was he said he wanted her dead weeks before and the fact they were discussing a divorce. I think that's much less than a confession and prove you were at the scene.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...regnant-wife-dead-just-weeks-disappeared.html
 
Sankari said:
I can't see how they're going to get a conviction in the absence of a body and DNA unless he decides to become extremely cooperative for no apparent reason, but stranger things have happened.
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The Germans have always said that they know she is dead.
I personally think they had evidence of this from all the USB sticks, memory cards and cameras he had but couldn't say they had evidence he was the one who did it.

V F said:
If this is truly the person that did it, what I still cannot get over after all these years is... How on earth can one be a parent leaving 2 - 3 year olds without adult supervision, yet there was also a service on the premises for parents going out.
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The hotel had a service where somebody listened every hour, the 3 families didn't think it was good enough so did there's every 30 minutes.
Everybody forgets there were 7 adults involved and several kids.
 
I have no sympathy for Madeline’s parents. They should have been arrested and charged with abandoning children from day one.

From what I read, Kate and Gerry took their children on holiday with them and treated them like inconveniences. People who have children at the ages of the children at the time of Madeline’s disappearance either do things around the children or if they want an adult orientated holiday- leave kids with grandparents.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Because, Mr Liberal, others are not so gullible as to accept that many perverts can be reformed, (like terrorists), and these social experiments by liberals have resulted in terrible crimes being committed that long term incarceration would have avoided. I don't give them any benefit of the doubt and the best help they can be given is a cell. I am finding your blase attitude to criminality and perverts very troubling given you say you are a Special Constable.
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He’s speaking from the point of view of law, you’re speaking from a personal opinion point of view. Totally pointless to compare the two.
 
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