[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors

I haven't voted for you in a tit-for-tat vote swap Iviv, but feel free to read it that way. I would happily have stuck with my day 1 vote for Chris but at the time i placed my day 2 vote the options seemed to be vote Shami (who I think is town) or vote Iviv (with 1 vote from Pookie). With 7 votes needed I thought I had more chance of consensus on you than allay Chris.

With the little concrete voting patterns we have nothing has made me think definite scum on anyone yet.
 
Having just thought about this some more, there are 12 of us. Assuming 3 scum that leaves 9 townies. And we need 7 of those 9 to agree on a target for us to successfully lynch scum (assuming they don't start voting for each other). If Psymonkee is town and doesn't contribute then we're looking at needing 7 of 8

Based on those figures I reckon any lynch is almost certainly going to result in a dead townie. At that point you have to start to wonder whether it's worth lynching at all. But then, if we don't, we lose any benefit that we gained from the lack of NK last night.
 
I think it's safe to say there is going to be no lynch at the moment. With 5 hours to go (well 6 ish if Jedi is late) and we're at a completer impasse. Unless we can agree on a third target it's looking tricky.

One thing though Iviv you mentioned I thought night was 48 hours therefore mafia, we all have roles do we not? Therefore not sure where you are going with that :confused:
 
kaiowas said:
Having just thought about this some more, there are 12 of us. Assuming 3 scum that leaves 9 townies. And we need 7 of those 9 to agree on a target for us to successfully lynch scum (assuming they don't start voting for each other). If Psymonkee is town and doesn't contribute then we're looking at needing 7 of 8

Based on those figures I reckon any lynch is almost certainly going to result in a dead townie. At that point you have to start to wonder whether it's worth lynching at all. But then, if we don't, we lose any benefit that we gained from the lack of NK last night.
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Unlikely but not impossible.

Something worth noting, Iviv has the same number of votes as Shami, but I don't recall anyone really defending Iviv at all, other than a vague I believe he might be town read. Shami on the other hand has had a few vocal supporters and has divided opinion far more than Iviv.

Quite interesting that. Relevant or not, I'm not sure, but you can certainly look at that statistic from a couple of different angles

Shamikebab said:
One thing though Iviv you mentioned I thought night was 48 hours therefore mafia, we all have roles do we not? Therefore not sure where you are going with that :confused:
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Yeah, I didn't think that made much sense either.
 
No-one has defended Iviv?

According to my notes Kaiowas has said he trusts Iviv, You have claimed he's town twice, Chris has continuously insisted he's town. Or do you mean no-one has defended him since the votes?
 
Egon said:
I don't recall anyone really defending Iviv at all, other than a vague I believe he might be town read.
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Yes, I've said I believe he is town twice... in 21 pages of posts. I haven't defended him at all other than in my basic read of his actions to be town, so this ties in with what I said above. This is pretty much the same for Kaiowas. Chris, I'd need to read his posts again to be certain, but then I did say "recall". Others have been more vocal about your support.

No need to be so defensive, I did say that it could be interpreted in more than one way!
 
Shamikebab said:
I think it's safe to say there is going to be no lynch at the moment. With 5 hours to go (well 6 ish if Jedi is late) and we're at a completer impasse. Unless we can agree on a third target it's looking tricky.

One thing though Iviv you mentioned I thought night was 48 hours therefore mafia, we all have roles do we not? Therefore not sure where you are going with that :confused:
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But there was no night kill, so you implying you did no night action and no night kill happening. Though I should have put a :p after it since that link was meant more as a joke.
 
Egon said:
Something worth noting, Iviv has the same number of votes as Shami, but I don't recall anyone really defending Iviv at all, other than a vague I believe he might be town read. Shami on the other hand has had a few vocal supporters and has divided opinion far more than Iviv.

Quite interesting that. Relevant or not, I'm not sure, but you can certainly look at that statistic from a couple of different angles
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probably because if iviv is scum, then why would his scum mates defend him, if he gets lynched then the people who supported him are going to be next on the lynch list.
 
##Vote Iviv

Nothing is happening, nothing happening is not good for the town right now. I'm not sure if Iviv is town or not at this point, I'm thinking one of Chris and Iviv are mafia and are using the other one. I'm just not sure which and at this point I doubt we'll get a lynch anyway.
 
Been out again all day today and finally just finished a re-read of the thread (1 hour 30!) and despite people thinking I'm dead (game wise as well as RL wise? :p) I'm very much still here but just been unable to post to any coherent degree.

If I make this a single post it increases my chances of being Mod-killed and replaced yet I don't want to break this up into separate posts and spam the forums!

I've come up with 9 pages of scribbling on an A6 notebook that still leaves me very confused but what I do mainly see is chriscubed/iviv ganging up on Shami for anti town like posting style and some smaller bickering amongst other players too.

Whilst I was initially swayed by the argument put forward by chriscubed/iviv I'm still not convinced that Shami is anything other than a town player that has been picked on for whatever reason (mainly anti town posting style and the hammer drop) and being hung out to dry in front of the whole town.

Some people have seen this and think that iviv is scum, making a lot of noise and trying to push the blame off of himself and onto Shami. More importantly the town seems to be divided on this matter which is kind of odd to see.

The net result of all this? Both iviv and Shami have garnered 3 votes each which doesn't get the town any closer to a majority lynch!

Killswitch seems to think we are playing the game wrong and everyone should be innocent until proven guilty. That's nice but in a cutthroat environment like this I just don't think it will work. It's not like we have time for a proper trial or in some cases have proper evidence to present!

I liked the slip up by Leprechaun with the misuse of NK which I think was hilarious but he seems genuine about his mistake and other players have had to ask for clarification on some acronyms as well. That said this is game 4 and he's still struggling? That seems a little suspect to me as well.

Added to that there was a chunk of posts where Leprechaun and Shami seemed to exchange a little friendly banter just after the above incident which could almost suggest some collusion to my way of thinking - it's very minor but easily overlooked! [link: here]

From all the reading I've been doing (and all the watching....!) I'm actually suspicious of Shami and Leprechaun - as above I've little to really go on but the way the posts go it just seems to cool off from arguing to being playful a little too quickly before all guns blazing starts again....

Currently I count:

3 votes for Shami (iviv, chriscubed, Egon)
3 votes for iviv (Pookie, Brabbinho, Killswitch, *Shami)
1 vote for Leprechaun (shorttricky)
1 vote for Killswitch (Kaiowas)

This still leaves us nowhere really helpful and although I have my suspicions as laid out above a vote for either will still leave us nowhere near a lynch with 5 hours to go and little time to get other peoples votes changed to at least one target who we can all agree on!

I think I'd like to wait and see what the reaction to this post is and see if any votes change before I cast my vote but I think I know which way I'm leaning - assuming I don't get mod-killed before then!

EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!

While I was typing all that Shami has decided to vote against iviv - I'm not keen on this but at least a firm favourite is slowly coming to light. What reason for this vote or is it just because he's being dictatorish?

*voted whilst I wrote this megapost!
 
Psymonkee said:
I liked the slip up by Leprechaun with the misuse of NK which I think was hilarious but he seems genuine about his mistake and other players have had to ask for clarification on some acronyms as well. That said this is game 4 and he's still struggling? That seems a little suspect to me as well.
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this is actually my first real game, i only joined the 3rd game and didnt even last the first day before getting lynched by 2 people, or 3 maybe and then shown as town. I didnt really follow the thread after that as i was so annoyed at getting lynched for basically nothing, and so didnt really see the use of the acronyms
 
Psymonkee said:
Added to that there was a chunk of posts where Leprechaun and Shami seemed to exchange a little friendly banter just after the above incident which could almost suggest some collusion to my way of thinking - it's very minor but easily overlooked! [link: here]
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could you screen shot this or give a post number as i only have pages 1-8, my ocuk forum is set to 80 posts per page
 
Shamikebab said:
##Vote Iviv

Nothing is happening, nothing happening is not good for the town right now. I'm not sure if Iviv is town or not at this point, I'm thinking one of Chris and Iviv are mafia and are using the other one. I'm just not sure which and at this point I doubt we'll get a lynch anyway.
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Tbh I think it's a bit odd you'd call out others for voting for someone they're not really sure is mafia and then do the same yourself. This doesn't change the fact I think all 3 of your are town at them moment and really need to focus elsewhere.

That leaves Leprechaun and K1LLSW1TCH as having votes, I've already indicated that some of K1llswitches posts have given me doubts but he did explain himself. I'm not massively convinced yet though.
 
Pudney said:
Tbh I think it's a bit odd you'd call out others for voting for someone they're not really sure is mafia and then do the same yourself. This doesn't change the fact I think all 3 of your are town at them moment and really need to focus elsewhere.

That leaves Leprechaun and K1LLSW1TCH as having votes, I've already indicated that some of K1llswitches posts have given me doubts but he did explain himself. I'm not massively convinced yet though.
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Just out of interest did you vote at all in the first day? I don't think you've voted yet either.
 
Right, thought about the game a bit while I was in the shower, as you do, and had some thoughts. Look at the game situation right now, there are essentially three groups.

Group A - Iviv, Chriscubed, Egon.
Group B - Brabbingo, K1LLSW1TCH, Shamikebab
Group C - Leprechaun, Pooke, shorttricky

Groups A & B have basically been butting heads the whole game, and not really getting anywhere, while group C has basically kept to themselves, though Pookie has thrown a vote my way.

If you were scum, what would you do? It would make the most sense to have one member in each group. Obviously having one group of just scum would be stupid, and with three groups it would be easy to slip onto each side. That way they can keep the argument going while not directly endangering themselves.

If this were true, then who would it be in each group? In group A I would be inclined to select Chris out of the three options, I don't think it would be Egon from how he's played, while Chris has played similarly to me. His aggression may be a mask for his scumminess, and I'm certainly not convinced he is scum, but if I had to pick from the three of us it would be him.

Group B would be between Shami and Brabbinho. I've made my opinion known on these two quite loudly already.

Group C is a mystery. Pooke had a couple of votes on him from the first round. As people have said, I think Leprechaun's made a couple of innocent typing mistakes that can't really be read into, and short has been against the two of them since the beginning, which is equally odd. To be honest, I would pick Pookie out of the three, though none of them have really shown much in the way of scumminess.

It could be possible that group C is all the mafia members just hiding out, accusing each other while not making enough noise to be seen as threats. I would be staggered if this were the case, but maybe!



Anyway, we have 3 hours to make a decision and get someone to 7 votes. Who?
 
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