[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors

Ok I've found the 3 vote posts so I'll answer them.

vote: Shamikebab

I'm torn between if you are scum trying to be so guilty you look innocent since it's too obvious, or if you are a townie and completely apathetic to the whole thing.

Try reading this page? There is lots of information if you just open your eyes. We may not all know the information, but even watching who people are accusing can let you glean information out of people and find out what they know.

Either you are scum or you are this games Fortyseven. A distraction that will keep clouding everything over while you are still alive. Either way things will be much clearer without you and we can focus on scum hunting.

Iviv admits he doesn't know whether I am town or mafia. He then admits that there is information out there but "we may not all know the information" Why is he not willing to share it? What town member would want to hoard information? he then says I am a distraction and wants be dead regardless. So basically no evidence, he's just guessing.

The case against you:
I have seen hardly any posts from you which I would call useful. Anti-town.
You insist that there is no information, even 5 and a half RL days after the start of the game. Anti-town.
You love to argue to the tiniest point to distract from the real issues. Anti-town.
You hammered Fortyseven.

I don't understand why you would play this strategy either as town or scum, but it doesn't matter, you are not useful to the town in my opinion.

vote: Shamikebab

A lot of personal feeling, again basically says he wants me gone because I am a distraction rather than actually having a case against me. Inconsistent as he admitted we needed a day one lynch but then seems to be holding the fact I helped achieve it against me but not against others that voted for fortyseven.

I hope you lot are going to kiss and make up when all this is done! ;)

As entertaining as this is, it is just distracting. Although Shami does raise an interesting point about controlling the town. However they have really always just focussed on you Shami, which doesn't sound like scum behaviour to me. I also agree with many of their points. So sorry Shami, you were my number 1 suspect on day 1 and nothing yet has changed. It would also put an end to this distraction one way or another.

##vote shamikebab

Claims I was number 1 suspect but has posted nothing to back that up. ALSO admits that he wants me dead purely because I'm a distraction whether I'm mafia or not.

So there you have it. Three people who claim to be scumhunting and pro-town but whose main case seems to revolve not around whether I'm mafia or not but whether I'm a distraction. I don't feel I can address their evidence or lack of any better than that.
 
you know the 3 post shamikebab just reffed in post 601, pretty much outline that egon chris and iviv are just voting to remove shami as they feel what he posts is a distraction, not really because they feel he is mafia. The thing is that in doing this they have created this distraction. Before you 3 voted shami, he didnt really say much that disrupted the town, and now we have nearly 2 pages of discussion over the votes on shami which if anything have halted the game. While this debate is had there is no progress made in hunting actual scum and because of this, if nothing is done about it there is going to be no Lynch and come tomorrow, other than the night kill we will still be discussing what to do with shami.
 
A lot of personal feeling, again basically says he wants me gone because I am a distraction rather than actually having a case against me. Inconsistent as he admitted we needed a day one lynch but then seems to be holding the fact I helped achieve it against me but not against others that voted for fortyseven.

It's not personal, and I don't want you gone BECAUSE you are a distraction. I am voting for you because I believe your behaviour, indicates the behaviour of a mafioso:
By not helping the town to scumhunt
By convincing people there is no information and that therefore certain people are trying to control the town to their own ends
By distracting the town from the scumhunt to protect yourself and scumbros

The hammer, I included as I did find it odd, but can't say for sure if it was scummy. A few of us were holding out, waiting for the case to be properly presented for 47. Egon votes and 3 minutes later you drop the hammer.
 
I've already explained that I thought I was the 6th vote, Egon posted while I was posting.

I've just explained above how I've been helping the town to scumhunt (granted since you voted but it has not changed your stance apparently) and I've also explained how instead of scumhunting you are trying to remove a distraction. As has Pookie, as has Leprechaun. I have said I had no feelings from the posts in day one, I have asked others who seem to have a much stronger feeling to share their reasoning. That seems a perfectly reasonable response and much better than just guessing to appease the council. If I'm distracting the town then so are you and Iviv, as several others have pointed out.


Basically if all that is anti-town and scum behavior, then why isn't it for you?
 
Kaiowas do you still believe I'm mafia? Day one you had me down has the most mafia and wanted my lynch but decided not to vote as we needed consensus. What has changed since then?
 
Claims I was number 1 suspect but has posted nothing to back that up. ALSO admits that he wants me dead purely because I'm a distraction whether I'm mafia or not..

Yes you were and still are.
Yes I have explained.... many times.
Yes I believe having you dead would be of benefit to the town.

Nowt personal.
 
Right now I can't, I'm at work and don't have time to trawl the thread. Tonight maybe, but it is much easier just to sum it up.

1. Negative attitude (my main reason)
2. Argumentative
3. A distraction
4. Nobody else has done anything to raise my suspicions to a level that makes me want to change my vote.

Lynching you now removes all doubt regardless of how you flip - see point 3.
 
What town member would want to hoard information?

Is this not obvious to you? If a town member has gained knowledge through the use of their role/night ability they wouldn't want to come out and openly declare everything they know because it makes them an obvious target for the mafia, they get NK'd and we lose that role.

I believe in the instance you quoted iviv was specifically referring to the lack of a NK implying that there is likely to be a protective role of some kind out there, the holder of which has learned something about whoever they protected but can't necessarily share that information at this time.

Shamikebab said:
Kaiowas do you still believe I'm mafia? Day one you had me down has the most mafia and wanted my lynch but decided not to vote as we needed consensus. What has changed since then?

At the time, I felt you were most scummy looking of everyone in town. This was almost exclusively as a result of your general negativity and obstructiveness. Since then you've explained your attitude a little more, I still don't agree with your approach to the game and the positions you are taking but I am less inclined to believe that you are scum. I still feel that you are a negative influence on the town though.
 
So basically what I said then :confused: You three are just echoing each other without anything more convincing than a negative feeling and a distraction. Frankly, that's a pathetic line of reasoning if there is so much information around.

Argumentative is not a reason at all, it takes more than one to argue after all.
 
Damnit that was to Egon :p

Fair enough Kaiowas, you can disagree with the way I play if you want but as I've said many times that isn't a reason to kill me and the people who seem to want that regardless of whether I'm mafia or not are playing a very odd game.
 
If I did I would have voted. I need more from Iviv to be honest, hopefully before it's too late tonight. At the moment I know I'm town so the only other option is Iviv. Kaiowas has tried to get something out of Killswitch but that has fallen flat and no-one else seems to be keen on anyone at all other than me or Iviv. Psymonkee will likely die through inactivity and the only other person I'm slightly suspicious of is Brabbinho.

The town is in a tough position. If both me and Iviv are town then it's quite probable we'll go in to tomorrow 3 townies down if there is a night kill.
 
I'll explain my reasoning for Brabbinho. As I was reading through the thread last night it felt like he was posting just enough to not be a lurker without really committing to anything. His summary post as I was reading it...I made no notes from. it felt like a lot of talk without actually saying a lot, almost like it was a safe post to dissuade attention without actually committing strongly to anything.
 
So basically what I said then :confused: You three are just echoing each other without anything more convincing than a negative feeling and a distraction. Frankly, that's a pathetic line of reasoning if there is so much information around.

Argumentative is not a reason at all, it takes more than one to argue after all.

Umm, not really,

Right now I can't, I'm at work and don't have time to trawl the thread. Tonight maybe, but it is much easier just to sum it up.

1. Negative attitude (my main reason)
2. Argumentative
3. A distraction
4. Nobody else has done anything to raise my suspicions to a level that makes me want to change my vote.

Lynching you now removes all doubt regardless of how you flip - see point 3.

Is not the same as:

Claims I was number 1 suspect but has posted nothing to back that up. ALSO admits that he wants me dead purely because I'm a distraction whether I'm mafia or not.

Shami, I'm not being pulled into a Chris/Shami style argument. I've given my reasons. You're having a negative impact on the town. Your actions on day 1 were the most scummy, no-one else has done enough to make me change my vote. Quite what other evidence you want I don't know.

And you are absolutely right it does take two to argue, so just for the the record I have also said in the past that removing both You and Chris would benefit the town.
 
To those who say I'm trying to lead the town, I would disagree with that. I have repeatedly said that anything I post in this thread is based on my read of the game. It's an opinion I have of the other players based on their posts in the thread, and certainly nothing personal against any of the players, that would be a ridiculous way to play the game and lead to a quick loss. Everyone has the chance to read my posts, consider what I say, and then read everyone else's posts. Indeed, this is what people are doing. Some of them have read what I say and agreed with it. Others have disagreed and voted for me because of it.
I apologise if my way of playing is getting some people's backs up. I play mafia to win, naturally. I want my opinion to be out there because I believe it is right, but also because that's how people have information to work from.

<snip>
Reading through the thread, the first 3 1/2 pages are full of nothing. Here's some rough analysis based on what's happened so far:
Psymonkee - Nothing posted of value so far, simply stating events which have happened in the game. Fewest posts so far. - Not currently voting
Shorttricky - Few posts, has a couple of 'niggles' but no detail. - Not currently voting
Pudney - Talks about needing people to participate and how important voting is, but doesn't do either of these things. Looking pretty suspicious. - Not currently voting
K1LLSW1TCH - Works nightshifts I assume, so only active over night. Not much content posted. - Not currently voting
Kaiowas - Seems to be pretty townish so far. - Voting for Psymonkee
Fortyseven - Maybe it's best to lynch him before he can confuse us? Seriously though, vote for pookie with little reasoning. Not too much of value posted. - Voting for Pookie Bear
Shamikebab - Very confrontational early on, possibly jumping onto the chris bandwagon, dismissive of attempts to learn anything. Later posts seem more townie, but I'm not convinced - Voting for Chriscubed.
Pookie - Wants to vote for me, clearly scum! :p Not getting much of a read, leaning slightly towards town, made some analysis posts. - Voting for Chriscubed.
Chriscubed - On the fence again. Taken a bit of an 'I did my research I know what's going on' path, but his posts seem pretty analytical and sensible, bar his first vote. - Voting for Pookie Bear
Brabbinho - Lots of posts, absolutely zero content. Currently top of my scum list. - Voting for Christcubed
Leprechaun312 - Seems to have a good head on his shoulders, sensible posting bar one of his earlier posts. Leaning town - Voting for Chriscubed
Egon - Understands the game, making good posts throughout, pretty certain he's a townie. Voting for Chriscubed.

##Unvote
##Vote Brabbinho


Will see how things go tomorrow and will likely have to switch my vote to ensure that there is a kill made, but Brabbinho seems to be making lots of noise but no real sound.


There's my first read post in the thread, since then there have been 12 pages of content and arguments. Here's my attempt to summarise from that (Ordered from fewest to most posts).

Psymonkee - apparently dead, going to be replaced.
Shorttricky - Doesn't like leprechaun or pookie. Has been focusing on the two of them throughout.
Pudney - Trying to ignore the large argument and look elsewhere. Pretty confident town.
K1LLSW1TCH - Jumped to Shami's defense fairly early questioning why when people were explaining their reasoning. People just seem to find him guilty looking. Votes for me after I post a large post detailing my analysis of the game to date, claiming it is a witch hunt. Questionable reasoning.
Pooke - Agreeing with Shamikebab early on, took a dislike to chris. Little unsure if a scum would be so obvious to back up another player I view as scum. Same could be said for people agreeing with me though.
Kaiowas - Been posting pretty constantly pro-town, everyone seems to agree with this.
Brabbinho - Very quiet early on before voting for chris on day 1. Day 2 has been quiet before coming in and agreeing with Shami and votes for me because I have votes on me. Possible scum reaction to me calling him out on day 1?
Chruscubed - Playing fairly similarly to me. He's read the wiki, don'tchaknow. Slim chance may be scum and may be riding my coattails because I'm targeting townies.
Egon - Generally agree with his reads on the situations going on.
Leprechaun - Did seem to defend Pookie fairly early on. Finally changed his vote to fortyseven as a result of my vote because he would not be present. Possible scum knowing I would urge him to vote because I had been saying we need people to vote, using it as a chance to hide his bandwagon vote. Was then backing me up fairly early on. Somewhat curious leaps of logic. Slip about NKing, but most likely just bad terminology knowledge :p
Shamikebab - Dislike to Chriscubed early on for being loud when he had 5 votes against him. There is no night kill and he comes straight out of the gate saying he thought night was 48 hours not 24. It's like he's trying to appear scum. Didn't realise he was the killing vote.

To be honest, I don't think much can be read into the death of fortyseven. The majority of people who voted for him were in a situation of 'well, a lunch is better than no lynch' so switched votes to him to get a lynch done so we got at least some info. How many people this applies to, and if any of them were scum is unfortunately a question we won't be able to answer because of how the voting went down.

Regarding tonight, we are going to need a consensus. And reading through the thread so far, that is going to be pretty tricky. With 12 people we need 7 votes on one target. As things currently stand, I am still in disagreement with Shamikebab and his reasoning, but I can also see that everyone else remains unconvinced, meaning 7 votes will be hard to reach, so looking elsewhere at the field, I would be next most suspicious of Brabbinho and K1llsw1tch.
But they all voted for you, isn't that a convenient coincidence.
I hear you cry!

Brabbinho my view hasn't changed much with his posts today, and I had voted for him in the previous day as being scum, he's second on my scum list. K1llsw1tch seems more like he's jumping on a bandwagon than anyone else, especially with his big 'I'm going to wait to see what Iviv says' before just voting for me with no backup once I do, putting him third.

If Shami is not getting lynched, I would change my vote to preferably Brabbinho, if not then K1llsw1tch.
 
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