[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors

I claimed it's old because it was old :confused: You said you would update it but then didn't, I think it's fair to call you out on that. Basically if I don't post 'content' then you jump at me and if I do try and encourage discussion and question people's opinions you continue jumping at me :confused:

Interesting analysis, most of your basis for who you think is town/scum seems to be whether they are pro you/iviv or against you. You seem pretty eager to keep this rift in the town going. If you manage to get me lynched and I'm revealed as town that makes a lot of your information pretty invalid.
 
I can't disgree that Iviv is are most experienced player. However, what experience as a group do we have to know if he is being genuine or playing us. Following him blindly when all we have to go on is his experience and his repeated word that he is townie.

@Chris you are right, I freely admitted I made a mistake on Jedi in the last game. That was why I was happy to listen to Iviv on day 1 this game. However, I think his reasoning against Shami is flawed. Why vote for someone who you don't think is mafia when you could be voting for real ones? On day 1 his vote for 47 was because he couldn't persuade the town to vote elsewhere in the time remaining. On day 2 he has had 2 days to persuade the town to vote for the real mafia, but instead targets someone who probably isn't. Something here doesn't add up and that's why he currently has my vote
 
Shamikebab said:
I claimed it's old because it was old :confused: You said you would update it but then didn't, I think it's fair to call you out on that. Basically if I don't post 'content' then you jump at me and if I do try and encourage discussion and question people's opinions you continue jumping at me :confused:
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I think most people can see for themselves what you mean by "encourage discussion".

Interesting analysis, most of your basis for who you think is town/scum seems to be whether they are pro you/iviv or against you. You seem pretty eager to keep this rift in the town going. If you manage to get me lynched and I'm revealed as town that makes a lot of your information pretty invalid.
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It does form the basis of some of it, as that has been the main event so far in this game. I can only form reads based on what has happened.

Yes, if you are revealed as town it will mean that we have wasted time arguing and that information will be scarcer, and if you are revealed as scum then it will be very valid.

I would happily see an end to the rift, but everything keeps coming back to it. I don't post all morning and you still go on about it all day. May I request your read list so we can see what you have to bring to the table?
 
You would happily see to the end of the rift but you along with your alliance are still trying to get me lynched? If I'm town then surely it's in mine and the town's best interest to try and convince you of your error? I will do a summary post again tonight when I'm home from work.
 
Brabbinho said:
However, I think his reasoning against Shami is flawed. Why vote for someone who you don't think is mafia when you could be voting for real ones? On day 1 his vote for 47 was because he couldn't persuade the town to vote elsewhere in the time remaining. On day 2 he has had 2 days to persuade the town to vote for the real mafia, but instead targets someone who probably isn't. Something here doesn't add up and that's why he currently has my vote
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I just looked back at his post. He said he can't decide whether Shami is scum or just a bad townie. Shami has since twisted the conversation so that people now believe he is "voting for someone you don't think is mafia". You are an example of someone who has been manipulated by his clever words.

I can't speak for iviv and don't claim to know his reasons why Shami is mafia, but I have posted mine.
 
Shamikebab said:
You would happily see to the end of the rift but you along with your alliance are still trying to get me lynched? If I'm town then surely it's in mine and the town's best interest to try and convince you of your error? I will do a summary post again tonight when I'm home from work.
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"If" you are town then yes it's in the town's interests. But I'm not convinced of that. I would happily see the end of the rift in one way or another, but you won't talk about anything else.
 
chriscubed said:
I just looked back at his post. He said he can't decide whether Shami is scum or just a bad townie. Shami has since twisted the conversation so that people now believe he is "voting for someone you don't think is mafia". You are an example of someone who has been manipulated by his clever words.

I can't speak for iviv and don't claim to know his reasons why Shami is mafia, but I have posted mine.
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Do you know the post number? I'd be interested to re-read in case I have misconstrued his reasoning
 
I helped achieve consensus on a day one lynch, even if he wasn't my preferred target it was better than no lynch at all. Since then I have attempted to dismantle the stranglehold that your group is trying to place on the town and tried to understand the groups the town is forming into and the reasons for it. I have questioned other players motives for the things they are doing and tried to get them to explain their analysis of the town as it stands. I have also asked for the town members that haven't been posting as much (Psymonkee and Brabbinho) to join in the discussion and add their views on the events since the day one lynch.
 
to be fair to shamikebab he hasn't been voting to try and drum up support that X person is scum, he has merely pointed out his views on people such as the aforementioned "alliance" and apart from his day one blunder of voting with no evidence and then hammering i think he is genuinely town. I dont really see the case against him other than the day one stuff. He keeps asking for evidence, chris and iviv why dont you just a post a list of exactly why you think he is scum, so far the responses have been vague to be honest, however shami, they have given some evidence that you do refuse to accept
 
in regards to the case against him i understand he is a disruption currently, and like the void that 47 created last game but maybe if you eased off and started looking for other people you think are scum that void might disappear?
 
Which evidence have I refused to accept?

I don't think the hammer was a mistake, we needed a lynch day one and the town was only willing to vote for one person. In the end we went with luck and we were unlucky it's as simple as that. Fortyseven didn't make much effort to dissuade the votes. Lots of people voted without evidence on day one, it's just I was the only one that was honest about it.
 
Voting can be used in a number of ways, but I don't know how it drums up support. I have used it to indicate where my views lie. This can then be tracked with the vote tracker without reading the entire thread. Not voting could also be seen as hiding.

I already posted a list of reasons why with my vote.
 
Shamikebab said:
Which evidence have I refused to accept?

I don't think the hammer was a mistake, we needed a lynch day one and the town was only willing to vote for one person. In the end we went with luck and we were unlucky it's as simple as that. Fortyseven didn't make much effort to dissuade the votes. Lots of people voted without evidence on day one, it's just I was the only one that was honest about it.
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the day one evidence doesnt really hold other than the hammer considering he was townie, but 6 other people voted for 47 without much evidence. The evidence you refused to accept was the posts by chris and iviv after they voted you, you keep mentioning this treasure trove of secret evidence they are hiding and its in their posts.

I would quote it but you would say it isnt evidence. I am just asking for chris and iviv to outline their case so this debate between you 3 and egon who has also voted for you can come to close. This debate is not helping us find scum and it is going no where creating the void and disruption that iviv and chris talk about. if we resolve it then it doesnt exist and we can move on to finding those who actually have a case against them because to be perfectly honest the comments back and forth between you chris and iviv is frankly boring and going no where
 
I am being criticised at the same time for voting without evidence and for not voting. If I don't feel I have a strong enough case to argue against someone then what would you like me to do? I can't win.
 
Shamikebab said:
Which evidence have I refused to accept?

I don't think the hammer was a mistake, we needed a lynch day one and the town was only willing to vote for one person. In the end we went with luck and we were unlucky it's as simple as that. Fortyseven didn't make much effort to dissuade the votes. Lots of people voted without evidence on day one, it's just I was the only one that was honest about it.
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You're not the only one around here who is arguing that the vast majority of what is going on around here is guesswork, you know! You're also not the only person who is peeved about the "council" and their heavy-handed, self-righteous approach.

That said, after being Chris' target on day one, I empathise with how difficult it is to get on track with what you want to do when it feels like everyone is ganging up on you.
 
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