Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

[Devilman]

Its harm relative to other drugs misses the point imo.

All drugs are bad, and ideally they wouldn’t exist. It’s the idea that society can prevent people taking drugs which is flawed. All we can do is reduce the harm, and all drugs are less harmful if they are managed within a sensible legal framework which accepts that people will take them and doesn’t penalise them for doing so.

Should we discourage drugs use.

Absolutely, but through education.

Just no.

As has been proven by the entire pharmaceutical industry with their millions of different "drugs" (you might know them as medications) that when taken appropriately, actually help rather than cause harm as you suggest.

The entire premise your following argument is based on, is utterly flawed.

 

[Hotwired]

I don't think this is quite the issue it's made our to be. Alcohol is crazy expensive now and you don't see people buying black market moonshine. There'll be options to cater to all sorts, cheap stuff bought online. Fancy cafes and premium options etc. Same as booze or coffee.

Why would you see black market trading? Tons of tobacco is snuck into the UK for all the health damage with none of the tax revenue and by nature they're not selling sleeves from a stall in an open market.

 

[G J]

Why not decriminalise it so people dont have to go to dealers who will try and upsell them, or sell them stuff full of harmful presticides etc. Plenty of other countries have done research and most had a burst of sales when it was done which fell back to the previous users sticking with it and others growing bored of it.
You can still enforce common sense rules like they do for drinking and smoking.

Or maybe actually do something about the dealers in the first place so theyre not around to upsell to people in the first place as of the many places I lived in over the years many people knew who all the dealers are and where to get stuff from.

Actually decriminalise it and tax it maybe then something will get done about the dealers whom seem to be able to sell and operate with no problems maybe when the goverment is losing out of potential tax might do something.

The concern I have is that all of the folk I know who smoked regularly developed a variety of mental health issues. I think hangovers and the physical health impact of drinking regularly sometimes prevents folk from binging daily. Whereas IME folk who smoked cannabis were more inclined to do it daily and regularly.

Could just be the folk I knew who smoked cannabis were more pre-disposed to mental health problems and addiction however it's hard not to draw a link bettwen the two based on my experience. For that reason I'd support it being reclassifed as it's definitely not harmless like some suggest.

Yep and what I've noticed is the people who say I smoked abit of weed bro why the hate thinks it was harmless but ask their family/friends who had to deal with it and its the complete opposite.

 

[Stretch]

Just no.

As has been proven by the entire pharmaceutical industry with their millions of different "drugs" (you might know them as medications) that when taken appropriately, actually help rather than cause harm as you suggest.

The entire premise your following argument is based on, is utterly flawed.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make?

 

[Stretch]

Why would you see black market trading? Tons of tobacco is snuck into the UK for all the health damage with none of the tax revenue and by nature they're not selling sleeves from a stall in an open market.

It’s unlikely there would be such a significant disparity in tax rates with drugs. The problem with tabasco is for historic reasons.

Even still. At least the product is produced from a legitimate source with similar quality control and regulation.

 

[mid_gen]

Why would you see black market trading? Tons of tobacco is snuck into the UK for all the health damage with none of the tax revenue and by nature they're not selling sleeves from a stall in an open market.

Tobacco will end up on the black market because we're trying to eradicate it with punitive tax rates. It's a scourge, destroying people's health, fuelled by corporations making billions getting people addicted to damaging drugs. There's no upside or positive health benefits.

 

[Junglist]

Yep and what I've noticed is the people who say I smoked abit of weed bro why the hate thinks it was harmless but ask their family/friends who had to deal with it and its the complete opposite.

In which way is it the opposite? I've pretty much been a daily smoker since I was 18 and I'd be keen to know in which ways it impacts my family

My partner, who doesn't smoke and has no desire to, has never complained about me smoking, once. She gets annoyed that sometimes the munchies get a hold of me and I can decimate our snack cupboard but that's about the only inconvenience it causes. Or maybe I'll fall asleep on the sofa whilst we are supposed to watch something together.

You're making it sound like people who smoke are shifting off family heirlooms to fund their habit.

My partner will enjoy a glass of red wine to wind down and I enjoy a smoke. They're just different vehicles to the same destination. Relaxation.

 

[Nelly]

Weed cafes like they have in Amsterdam I guess if its ever legalised as such. To be honest I can't stand the smell of cannabis, even walking past some random house with the yucky aroma... urgh.

 

[Stretch]

Teens 'forced into sex and crime to pay off drug debt, says bereaved mum

BBC Spotlight is told of allegations involving rape and rioting in exchange for reduced debt.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yes it's NI, but it's not really any different in other parts of the country. Any Police Commissioner who reads that article and think drugs policing works need to be removed from their job asap.

The police are the problem imo. They need to accept they cannot win this.

Cannabis in primary schools for heavens sake.

 

[dave28]

even walking past some random house with the yucky aroma... urgh.

Funny you should say that, one of my neighbours houses absolutely stinks of it all the time and he even passed me smoking a joint as I was out for a walk one day.

 

[moon man]

I don't mind the smell but won't touch backstreet stuff since I ingested some after a bottle of wine, god knows what it was but entered another dimension, time loop thing , pretty scary, I was in the bathroom but had no idea what a room or house was or what reality was.
Guessing folk would pay good money for that ****

 

[Ayahuasca]

Psilocybin is where it's really at.

 

[Junglist]

or your namesake.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.

 

[Nutty667]

I can't see it becoming class A. Completely out of touch with the direction other countries are going in.
Germany has now legalised it. Not decriminalised, fully legal.

Germany legalises cannabis, but makes it hard to buy

Under the law backed by MPs, possession will be legal, but strict rules mean it will be complicated.

www.bbc.co.uk

Making it illegal doesn't stop people using it, so may as well regulate and tax it.

 

[Rai200]

I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.

Weren't you a roadie/in bands for a long time? Were they Christian rock?

 

[Ayahuasca]

I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.

There's a degree of anonymity on a forum, so people are more open about it. You work in the NHS I believe? You've probably worked alongside a lot of people who like to sniff at the weekend, some of them maybe even at work.

 

[Minusorange]

Making it illegal doesn't stop people using it, so may as well regulate and tax it.

The use isn't really the problem, it's the organised crime that's the problem, the sensible decision would have course be to legalise it and tax as it reduces people going to criminals for supply and generates extra revenue for government

 

[Rai200]

There's a degree of anonymity on a forum, so people are more open about it. You work in the NHS I believe? You've probably worked alongside a lot of people who like to sniff at the weekend, some of them maybe even at work.

Where I work we often get large groups of NHS workers, as we're just down the road from one of the largest hospitals in the SE. They're all degenerates and mostly lovely people.

 

[Thekwango]

I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.

not just these forums. you likely know lots of people who partake in a bit of weed and possibly harder drugs too - you just are't aware of it as they keep it to themselves.