Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

Ayahuasca said:
It's not the norm, as I don't know anyone who's been caught, although I've known a lot of people who've smoked it at least once a week over the years. If you're frequently checking things like the local paper for it, then of course it's going to look like they have a high hit rate.

You might get stopped, but the chances of them drug testing you are very slim. As you said in your own post above, you were stopped and they didn't bother to test you. They'll often only test you if there's something wrong with your driving, if there's a smell or if you're acting strangely.

...and no I don't live in a high crime rate area, but nice assumption :cry:
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It definitely is here mate.

Everyone knows everyones business, joys of living in a small village I guess followed by multiple other ones of which everyone mixes with on nights out/jobs/education etc etc, our local rags literally plaster all this junk all over the main page/homepage - it isn't me looking for it :cry: They LOVE to brag about some anti drug/booze/insurance/horses hit/speeding campain or how some meat was stolen from Tesco etc etc and who's in court.

They didn't test me when stopped because this was pre the swabs (in my area at least were very slow to adopt it) they were literally after drink drivers due to the pubs/clubs in the area I was passing through - which he openly told me as it's a preventative thing to spread awareness that they're hot on it in our areas :)

I guess everywhere's different then, but our papers/news websites literally parade these 'operation xyz' for drugs/booze/insurance/horses hit//speeding/youths hanging around late etc etc in the papers constantly.

We must just have more police resources to spare than you then? To have such a wider heavily policed road and street presence?

There was no offense intended, it just seems to be the case in any massive city or higher crime rate area I've ever visited (or both) hence mentioning Birmingham versus what isn't tollerated here. As understandably their resources are stretched thinner having to attend more serious crimes.

I'm genuinely surprised your local rags aren't plastering all the headlines/articles on the main page of the website/paper with 'Operation XYZ' though. There's barely anything ever positive here, it's all shock factor stuff or petty moaning about parking illegally/litter somewhere it shouldn't be or someone old has died or boring local events :cry:

There's even a section dedicated to naming and shaming those accused or convicted in court and this is in multiple different papers/websites! They love it :p It's always someone from miles way peddling a county lines operation.
 
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keef247 said:
We must just have more police resources to spare than you then? To have such a wider heavily policed road and street presence?
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I thought it was pretty clear that we were talking about the problem in a general sense, not something very localised to a village with a copper or two.

Overall, the statistics clearly show that there are more drivers on the roads than ever before, with fewer police officers per person.
 
Nutty667 said:
I can't see it becoming class A. Completely out of touch with the direction other countries are going in.
Germany has now legalised it. Not decriminalised, fully legal.
www.bbc.co.uk

Germany legalises cannabis, but makes it hard to buy

Under the law backed by MPs, possession will be legal, but strict rules mean it will be complicated.
www.bbc.co.uk

Making it illegal doesn't stop people using it, so may as well regulate and tax it.
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I thought people usually got upset at the prospect of countries breaking international law.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I thought it was pretty clear that we were talking about the problem in a general sense, not something very localised to a village with a copper or two.

Overall, the statistics clearly show that there are more drivers on the roads than ever before, with fewer police officers per person.
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I thought we were sharing experiences based on our own areas in reality versus relying on 'averages' and 'statistics' which don't accurately represent the reality of what goes on day to day.

It's also not a copper or 2, as I say it's within a 30-40 mile radius in both directions which I regularly travel through... Which is a hell of a lot of bigger places, and if I go further a field it's still the same. They're always about and pulling people/stopping people in the street/PCOS about talking to people in towns etc etc.

TBF the bigger towns seem to have a bigger presence patrolling - wether that's just due to motorways being connected and catching people driving illegally and the way bigger clubs/pubs about I don't know, but they're definitely everywhere here and have the time to spare, is what I'm saying. So must be based on having a lesser crime rate.
 
keef247 said:
I thought we were sharing experiences based on our own areas in reality versus relying on 'averages' and 'statistics' which don't accurately represent the reality of what goes on day to day.
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The data shows the reality across most of the country that there are fewer police officers per head of population. It's a much more accurate representation of the day-to-day reality than using your own anecdotal evidence.

What's happening in your area is not the norm. If you've got evidence that shows a significant percentage of drivers are being randomly stopped and drug tested, I'd like to see it.

The area I live in has a very low crime rate btw.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
The data shows the reality across most of the country that there are fewer police officers per head of population.

What's happening in your area is not the norm.
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Yeah of course there will always be more people than police, I'm not disputing that what so ever. So not saying your wrong there.

Well I could say the same for your area? That isn't the norm based on the 100+ miles around me that mimmicks what we see daily here within a 30-40 mile basis... Every place is different. That's my point. So just grouping it together as 'data' isn't very accurate for what people witness in the real world daily in different places across the country.
 
keef247 said:
Yeah of course there will always be more people than police, I'm not disputing that what so ever. So not saying your wrong there.

Well I could say the same for your area? That isn't the norm based on the 100+ miles around me that mimmicks what we see daily here within a 30-40 mile basis... Every place is different. That's my point. So just grouping it together as 'data' isn't very accurate for what people witness in the real world daily in different places across the country.
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It's not just more people than police, it's the ratio, and over the years it's fluctuated, but in recent years it's been absolutely shocking because of police funding.

What's happening in my area is closer to the norm because it corresponds to the data. It's more accurate than basing it on anecdotal evidence from one village and the surrounding area. The reality in most areas of the country is that there are fewer police on the roads to pull over and drug test an ever increasing number of drivers, and it's not simply a question of whether you live in a low-crime area or not. I don't live in a high crime area, a city or even a large town.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
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You're not alone. I've never taken any illegal narcotics. I've even absented myself from indirect exposure. Just not my thing. But I still think they should all be legalised.

Stretch said:
If you go on the right holiday other drugs become legal.
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There was a US congressman, Charlie Wilson, who used that defence. It's featured in the start of the film 'Charlie Wilson's War'.
 
Ayahuasca said:
It's not just more people than police, it's the ratio, and over the years it's fluctuated, but in recent years it's been absolutely shocking because of police funding.

What's happening in my area is closer to the norm because it corresponds to the data. It's more accurate than basing it on anecdotal evidence from one village and the surrounding area. The reality in most areas of the country is that there are fewer police on the roads to pull over and drug test an ever increasing number of drivers, and it's not simply a question of whether you live in a low-crime area or not. I don't live in a high crime area, a city or even a large town.
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Yeah but that doesn't mean that everywhere lacks the funding, otherwise the 100 mile radius i mention in either direction wouldn't have the same police presence as my local 30-40 mile area, and I'm not talking about 1 small village hence why mentioning multiple times now, I said my area is a village surrounded by many towns, many of them big, of which the police presence is even more so. So it is very consistently policed here, there's crime sure, just less very bad stuff, hence why they can deligate the regular patrols like the every 45mins of that petrol station I mentioned/industrial estates/beaches etc etc. The bigger the town the more patrols/presence/help at hand.

Unlike Birmingham for example. So everywhere is different. As I said before.

The only time I see it lacking is in massive areas/towns, of which have huge populations, then add those that size+serious crimes, and it's no wonder you won't see police/PCSO's having more time to spare for little things/random searches/patrols on pavement.
Worthy said:
Huh? Statistics don't accurately represent the things they're collating data about?
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When you just group everyone together as a % or number versus doing it area specific, then it is pretty vague/generalising/unrealistic to what actually goes on in EACH area... As everywhere is different. As I have already said... Birmingham is different to here for example.
Quartz said:
You might want to update your location - Cabrini Green comes up as being central Chicago USA.
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I'm well aware where it is... It's a Candyman reference ;)
 
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keef247 said:
Yeah but that doesn't mean that everywhere lacks the funding
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I never claimed it did. It would be beneficial if you shared the area you roughly live in so we can see how different from the norm your funding and level of police presence is. Otherwise we’re left with anecdotal evidence from reports in local rags and how many times you’ve personally seen someone pulled over (not even the primary concern either as it’s how often random stops lead to drug tests that we’re discussing).

I’d also imagine most of those reports in your local paper are not people who simply got caught a few days later with THC showing up in their system.
 
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Minusorange said:
huh why when I enter of course, does it come out as have course ???

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Am I losing my mind ?
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Somebody has probably put a filter to stop people abusing would have, should have, could have (which I suspect will be corrected when I post this and show as 'would have, should have, could have' :p)

Edit - yep!
 
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Kenai said:
Somebody has probably put a filter to stop people abusing would have, should have, could have (which I suspect will be corrected when I post this and show as 'would have, should have, could have' :p)

Edit - yep!
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Why would've they hadn't of done this (filter isn't all that smart for being a grammar nazi)

of course is the correct way
 
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Minusorange said:
Why would've they hadn't of done this (filter isn't all that smart for being a grammar nazi)

of course is the correct way
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It's like the old classic of Scunthorpe getting blocked by simple filters for containing a bad word, they're not sophisticated enough to see context, just the string of text they've been given and change it regardless :p
 
Minusorange said:
I wonder if context matters with a ,

would have course

would, of course
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If you add the comma it won't touch it because it's only looking for 'would of' as a string (or you can do as i've done and break it by adding formatting/code, such as making the space bold)
 
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