Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

Minusorange said:
The use isn't really the problem, it's the organised crime that's the problem, the sensible decision would have course be to legalise it and tax as it reduces people going to criminals for supply and generates extra revenue for government
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huh why when I enter of course, does it come out as have course ???

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Am I losing my mind ?
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
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The data says only about 3 in 10 adults have tried cannabis at some point in their life; so you're in a substantial majority. Here Cannabis will gets weakly legalised from the start of April, with a bit more legalisation in June. I expect I'll pick some up then, and enjoy a pipeful now and then.

I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.
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Whatever works for you.
 
Junglist said:
In which way is it the opposite? I've pretty much been a daily smoker since I was 18 and I'd be keen to know in which ways it impacts my family

My partner, who doesn't smoke and has no desire to, has never complained about me smoking, once. She gets annoyed that sometimes the munchies get a hold of me and I can decimate our snack cupboard but that's about the only inconvenience it causes. Or maybe I'll fall asleep on the sofa whilst we are supposed to watch something together.

You're making it sound like people who smoke are shifting off family heirlooms to fund their habit.

My partner will enjoy a glass of red wine to wind down and I enjoy a smoke. They're just different vehicles to the same destination. Relaxation.
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Do you not worry that you will eventually get randomly pulled over and swabbed and get done for doing it upto 3-7 days before, know of many people that have a blaze on Friday after work or over the weekend and have got randomly pulled over in a work van or whatever mid week and been banned and now lost their job/can't reinsure their car/van?

They're pretty hot on randomly pulling people these days, even the most boring of cars, even in the day time.
 
keef247 said:
Do you not worry that you will eventually get randomly pulled over and swabbed and get done for doing it upto 3-7 days before, know of many people that have a blaze on Friday after work or over the weekend and have got randomly pulled over in a work van or whatever mid week and been banned and now lost their job/can't reinsure their car/van?

They're pretty hot on randomly pulling people these days, even the most boring of cars, even in the day time.
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That sounds very anecdotal and not at all the norm, i.e. knowing a lot of people who've been banned for it. What kind of circles do you move in :p

I know and have known a lot of pot smokers over the years and I can't name a single one who's been banned from driving because of it.

The chances of getting pulled over are even lower these days as there are fewer police on the roads and more drivers. I've been driving for 15 years and I've never been randomly stopped and drug tested.

If you absolutely have to be able to drive for work, then you should be careful, but the majority will take the risk knowing that it's an absolutely tiny percentage of the population who are stopped and drug tested every year.
 
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keef247 said:
Do you not worry that you will eventually get randomly pulled over and swabbed and get done for doing it upto 3-7 days before, know of many people that have a blaze on Friday after work or over the weekend and have got randomly pulled over in a work van or whatever mid week and been banned and now lost their job/can't reinsure their car/van?

They're pretty hot on randomly pulling people these days, even the most boring of cars, even in the day time.
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Not really, no. I haven't been pulled over in god knows how long. 10-15 years at least. Though I'd put that down to me not driving like a knob. Works wonders for not getting pulled over.
I'm absolutely going to get pulled over now :cry:

I've nothing to base it on other than "trust me bro" but I, obviously, totally disagree with banning someone because they had a smoke almost a week ago. It's nonsensical. In the same way I don't agree with the alcohol limit. A glass of wine can put me onto queer street yet that would be under the limit, IIRC. In the same way someone who doesn't smoke would be in giggling fits whereas it wouldn't even touch the sides for me.

Long way of me saying I don't really worry about it because if I got pulled over it would've been because I was driving like an idiot and that's not something I'm in the habit of doing.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
That sounds very anecdotal and not at all the norm, i.e. knowing a lot of people who've been banned for it. What kind of circles do you move in :p

I know and have known a lot of pot smokers over the years and I can't name a single one who's been banned from driving because of it.

The chances of getting pulled over are even lower these days as there are fewer police on the roads and more drivers. I've been driving for 15 years and I've never been randomly stopped and drug tested.
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Haha! It's always in our local papers and I recognise people I went to school/college with? How's that not normal, same with any crime/person in a paper?

I often see people being pulled due to having done many driving based jobs at various hours, so it's something I see frequently, and there is no 'type' that they go for.

I reckon you must live in a higher 'major crimes' area then, or simply a really big city?
They seem to have nothing better to do here, I'm not even joking I've walked out of shops and seen coppers give teenagers tickets for not having lights and riding on the pavement, apparently a £60 fine and 3 strikes and then it gets worse? Madness!

For example I have mates in Birmingham and people there seem to be able to get away with majorly illegal cars from an MOT/roadworthy stand point, things like no front plates/tinted plates/coloured bulbs in the headlights/massive cambered wheels/stretched tyres/fully decatted straight through exhausts/going faster than the limit etc etc literally ragging it past police of which don't even bother turning round as they're clearly attending to higher priority callouts. I see this everytime I go there regardless of the area/time.
Where I live cars that have just 1 of these modifications are always stopped/fined/impounded, there is a big modified car scene here and it's something you'll see often of a weekend being pulled/ticketed.

So maybe it's because I live in a low crime area so there's a lot more resources for doing random pulls/stopping people on the street versus stretching all their resources to attend the really bad crimes?

The chances are higher IMHO of being pulled due to the major enforcement of all these drug/drunk driver 'crackdown' operations they're always naming in the papers and bragging about X caught doing it etc etc, here at least anyway. And we all know they never go after the dealer, they just nick the easy target of a buyer.

We have those stupid App paid for bikes and people love to just leave them in stupid places when renting them riding home ******, you often see coppers about having to move them/deal with drunk people on them, frequently in the bigger towns further away with the pubs/bars/nightlife open late.

Whenever I give friends a lift to a night out around 8-11PM within a 30-40 mile radius through various towns on a fri/sat night I will always see cop cars in atleast 1 or 2 of the cars and the same on the way home. Without fail.

10 Years ago I was pulled randomly whilst having a phonecall on bluetooth, they just said that they were just checking this area to check people aren't drink driving - which is totally fine. I didn't have to do any test because he could tell/smell I wasn't straight away and by my compliance.

I have been randomly pulled bringing the girls home late from a night out as well a few times over the years, just purely because of the time of night, simply because people like to drink and drive home from clubs versus pay for a cab - again fine by mine. So they are out there.

I'd rather that they do that versus people have their cars stolen/drunks running people over etc etc...

So yeah TLDR if they're whiling to pull randoms over and breathalise them, they will also swab them - I had a car crash that wasn't my fault 11 years ago and was breathalysed and swabbed as it's protocol isn't it for an accident, so they always have the tests on them even back then, it was only by chance that they drove past the accident and checked everyone was alright.

It always surprises me when people say there's never any cops about.

Maybe as I say it's cause I live in a nice area, so they literally DO have the resources to stop every dodgy chav on the street and search them/pull cars they don't like the look of/randomly breathalise and swab them. If they've got the resources to stop **** heads riding bikes back with or without lights, then they definitely have them to spare to stop random cars to check for drunks/druggies/if the driver is the owner of the car.

FWIW I have an advanced DBS check still valid from my last job, 0 points, years and years of driving experience, advanced driving qualifications, was even a member of 3 boroughs of council pre covid, so yeah I couldn't be more squeeky clean, so it isn't any kind of victimisation, as I say I see the most innocent looking people/cars pulled, especially the elderly haha who love to indicate right and drive straight forward or break heavily for something on the other side of the road miles away down a hill etc haha!

I guess there's just less 'bad crime' in my 40 mile radius, so they are luck enough to have enough coppers and PCSO's to spare? A friend of mine works in a local 24/7 shop/petrol station, the cops do a 45min past that industrial estate every hour after X time in the eve, obviously to scope out the industrial estate, but it's daily and all throughout the night, so again definitely have the man power to spare...

EDIT: @Junglist some of this reply answers your reply to me as well, just thought I'd ninja edit this post and tag you versus pasting the same reply into a seperate post :)
Yeah mate I totally agree with the booze thing, how can it be that generalised, someone that rarely drinks could be off their **** with 1 glass of XYZ booze, I love how in japan etc it's just illegal full stop to drive after 1 drink.
Someone I went to school with got pulled over in his work van on a Monday morning (I think it was slightly overloaded and they love to pull vans for that here and take them to a weigh bridge!) and he was banned for a year for having a smoke over the weekend - he ended up not being able to insure his Turboed Integra Type R the next year due to this :( That isn't right, I totally agree, as he was responsible and had a smoke in his home and didn't put anyones life at risk DAYS before being pulled!

I just couldn't take risks like that, but then I'm a car geek so I'd rather waste my money on restoring/modifying them than ******* it up the wall daily/weekends, I have enough problems buying multiple sets of rare vintage wheels I don't need haha!
So I couldn't take the risk with these swabs etc and my passion for cars at the risk of not ever being able to insure them again.

Sounds like you and @Ayahuasca live in some busy crime happy areas with a lack of resources for petty stuff? Or just lack of resources or both?
 
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keef247 said:
Haha! It's always in our local papers and I recognise people I went to school/college with? How's that not normal, same with any crime/person in a paper?

I often see people being pulled due to having done many driving based jobs at various hours, so it's something I see frequently, and there is no 'type' that they go for.
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It's not the norm, as I don't know anyone who's been caught, although I've known a lot of people who've smoked it at least once a week over the years. If you're frequently checking things like the local paper for it, then of course it's going to look like they have a high hit rate.

You might get stopped, but the chances of them drug testing you are very slim. As you said in your own post above, you were stopped and they didn't bother to test you. They'll often only test you if there's something wrong with your driving, if there's a smell or if you're acting strangely.

...and no I don't live in a high crime rate area, but nice assumption :cry: The data clearly indicates an increase in the number of drivers on the roads, coupled with a decrease in the ratio of police officers to the population.
 
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imtoooldforthis said:
People who live for the weekend are the absolute worst. Going out, having fun, taking drugs. Why would you ever do that when you could stay at home and watch reruns of last of the summer wine.
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Followed by Songs Of Praise, then the Antiques Roadshow!

I liked how at the same time this was on, over on Channel 4 20 years ago would be Bear Grylls biting a snakes head off and eating it's guts :cry:
 
Nutty667 said:
I can't see it becoming class A. Completely out of touch with the direction other countries are going in.
Germany has now legalised it. Not decriminalised, fully legal.
www.bbc.co.uk

Germany legalises cannabis, but makes it hard to buy

Under the law backed by MPs, possession will be legal, but strict rules mean it will be complicated.
www.bbc.co.uk

Making it illegal doesn't stop people using it, so may as well regulate and tax it.
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Germany’s approach sounds very level-headed. It’ll be interesting to see if it works.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.
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Not the only one, I never have. I'm not against it though, if someone wants to do it and it doesn't harm anyone else then I don't care what they do.
 
keef247 said:
Followed by Songs Of Praise, then the Antiques Roadshow!

I liked how at the same time this was on, over on Channel 4 20 years ago would be Bear Grylls biting a snakes head off and eating it's guts :cry:
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Don’t knock the Antiques roadshow, national institution that is. Sundays wouldn’t be Sundays without it. I just wish we could have Bullseye back :(
 
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