Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

I see quite a lot of cannabis driving bans being handed out around me, they usually say they'd smoked a few days prior to being pulled over, it does make me wonder if the tests are too sensitive... Either that or they're lying.
 
I see quite a lot of cannabis driving bans being handed out around me, they usually say they'd smoked a few days prior to being pulled over, it does make me wonder if the tests are too sensitive... Either that or they're lying.

Looking at the UK's laws, and the data on THC blood levels, it seems that they're set well below the level there's evidence that cannabis causes impairment at, and potentially low enough that they're picking up regular use rather than people who've smoked a joint and hopped behind the wheel. Much stricter than the equivalent alcohol laws and roughly in line with the UK's usual low quality drug laws.
 
I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.

You're not. While using illegal drugs is common, it's not universal. Most people don't. Quite a lot of people never have.

I'm not posting from a position of ignorance. I have used various illegal drugs in the past. I'm a minimum wage flunkey and illegal drug use is more common amongst people who have less money so I'm in a position to be more exposed to it. I work in an infamously degraded inner city area, so I see a lot of all of the problems related to drug abuse. I am very well aware of how appealing some drugs are, especially opiods. At least to begin with. Too well aware. I am extremely glad I wasn't exposed to them when I was younger than I was when I was exposed to them. At that age, I could experience the indescribable wonder of opiod high once and avoid it afterwards. Could I have done so if it had happened when I was 18? Or 12? If I could easily get more? I don't know and I'm very glad I never had to find out.

I think cannabis should be studied more. Not enough is known about the effects of dosage, how different cannabinoids interact within a user's body (e.g. there's some evidence that the ratio of THC to CBD has a significant effect), etc, etc. One extreme passes it off as utterly dangerous, the other extreme passes it off as absolutely totally completely safe. Neither is true, of course, even without selective breeding of strains and/or the refining of extracts to change the ratio of cannabinoids from what occurs naturally.

I think regulation is likely to be more effective than prohibition and that it's a more appropriate approach in the case of cannabis. Prohibition for some drugs, but not cannabis.
 
I see quite a lot of cannabis driving bans being handed out around me, they usually say they'd smoked a few days prior to being pulled over, it does make me wonder if the tests are too sensitive... Either that or they're lying.

It's worse than that - the tests are fundamentally wrong. They test for metabolites, so they return a positive result for substances that aren't even psychoactive in humans. Test results even depend on how much body fat a person has. People with more body fat will test positive for longer after use than people with less body fat, simply because some of the metabolites of cannabinoids are fat soluble.

The tests used for cannabis don't even correlate with the degree of impairment. That's why I say they're fundamentally wrong in this context, where the supposed intent is to detect people whose ability to do some tasks (e.g. driving) is impaired by drug use. It's not like alcohol use testing.
 
To be honest I can't stand the smell of cannabis, even walking past some random house with the yucky aroma... urgh.
Funny you should say that, one of my neighbours houses absolutely stinks of it all the time and he even passed me smoking a joint as I was out for a walk one day.

Most of the black-market cannabis in this country (over 95%) is "Skunk". This is very potent strain (which was only developed by plant breeders due to it being illegal), so that drug dealers could maximise their profits from it by growing high THC containing biomass.

As its name suggests it absolutely stinks! It also has an artificially high THC/low CBD ratio which means it is much more likely to cause temporary psychotic symptoms than naturally occurring cannabis strains. Hence, prohibition has actually caused the recreational cannabis available in this country to be much more dangerous than it would otherwise have been!

I ingested some after a bottle of wine, god knows what it was but entered another dimension, time loop thing , pretty scary,

Taking cannabis after drinking a lot of alcohol is a bad idea. Ingesting cannabis will cause a more trippy experience too which some people find unpleasant.

Also, you are much more likely to experience a "whitey" by smoking cannabis after drinking a lot of alcohol. A whitey is an acute hypotension episode (low blood pressure with a reading of less than 90/60 mmHg), it often causes people to panic and collapse and the best thing to do is lie them in the recovery position until their blood pressure recovers (in case they vomit).

However, drinking a large amount of alcohol when you are starting to come down from a cannabis high does not cause any unpleasant side-effects and it also makes the come-down more smooth.

I've nothing to base it on other than "trust me bro" but I, obviously, totally disagree with banning someone because they had a smoke almost a week ago. It's nonsensical.
I see quite a lot of cannabis driving bans being handed out around me, they usually say they'd smoked a few days prior to being pulled over, it does make me wonder if the tests are too sensitive... Either that or they're lying.

The cannabis driving limit level was set many years ago at 2 micrograms per litre of blood as part of the government's "zero tolerance" of illegal drug use policy. That level is far below what is required to intoxicate someone or impair their driving. It is true that a level like that will persist in someone's blood for several days after they last consumed any cannabis. You can even get a higher level than that by sharing a room for a while with someone who is smoking it or by using legal over-the-counter CBD oils (which have traces of THC).

Banning someone for having that tiny amount of cannabis in their system is ridiculous when people are legally driving around in the UK with higher levels of alcohol in their blood streams than in most other European countries.

It is also a serious issue for motorists who are legally using prescribed cannabis to treat medical conditions, since unlike other psychoactive prescribed drugs (opioid painkillers etc) the government has failed to put in a separate driving level limit for legal cannabis users based on the level at which it causes driving impairment.

You might get stopped, but the chances of them drug testing you are very slim. As you said in your own post above, you were stopped and they didn't bother to test you. They'll often only test you if there's something wrong with your driving, if there's a smell or if you're acting strangely.

If you are driving badly/appear to be impaired (and don't smell of alcohol), or the Police smell grass, see a grinder/rizzlas etc in your car then they will do a roadside drug test. If you test positive (they are very sensitive tests) then you will be arrested and taken back to the Police Station for the formal blood test which they use to make the prosecution decision.

There is a slim chance of getting caught up in one of the Police's occasional drag-nets though. Where they randomly stop drivers without any "reasonable suspicion" and breathalyse/drug test them as part of a daily test quota system for a PR campaign.

I think regulation is likely to be more effective than prohibition and that it's a more appropriate approach in the case of cannabis.

Yes, that has already been proven to be correct. Two weeks ago Professor David Nutt published: Cannabis (seeing through the smoke): The New Science of Cannabis and Your Health.

This book is underpinned by his two-year research trial in partnership with the Royal College of Psychiatrists, involving up to 20,000 patients, which will create Europe's largest body of evidence on the plant's medicinal qualities.

He also discusses at length the damage that cannabis prohibition has caused to our society/medical outcomes and puts forward a state-regulated legalisation system which would be far better (after considering the decriminalisation/legalisation models that are used in other countries).
 
I'm not posting from a position of ignorance. I have used various illegal drugs in the past. I'm a minimum wage flunkey and illegal drug use is more common amongst people who have less money so I'm in a position to be more exposed to it.

Cannabis use is highest in the lowest income groups, although by not as much as you'd think, but cocaine - and class A drugs in general - are most used by the highest income groups:

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Although those figures are "any use" rather than volume of use. I assume it's much like alcohol, drugs aren't that cheap so they're less accessible to the poor, so most poor people actually drink less, but it's also the case that the majority of users with a problem are poor.
 
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Cannabis use is highest in the lowest income groups, although by not as much as you'd think, but cocaine - and class A drugs in general - are most used by the highest income groups:

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Although those figures are "any use" rather than volume of use. I assume it's much like alcohol, drugs aren't that cheap so they're less accessible to the poor, so most poor people actually drink less, but it's also the cast that the majority of users with a problem are poor.

Around here, the biggest issue is (as far as I know) still monkey dust. Whatever it is, it's brutal. And it's cheap. Cheap in terms of money, anyway. Not so cheap in terms of the cost to the user's life.
 
This is new information.

Most poor people are junkies... Shoot the poor !

(that's my best one yet, somehow I have bypassed being a Tory and ended up in Reform... WTF has just happened)
 
making weed a class a drug seems harsh imho it should be classed the same as alcohol. I don't drink or do drugs, but I'm not opposed to people enjoying themselves so long as they don't overdo it.
 
I often wonder if, on a forums like these, I'm one of the only people who has never taken illegal drugs?
I only drink alcohol when I go on holiday.
I'm pretty close, smoked one once when I was 18, and never since. It just doesn't interest me. I'm not really against it, and think legalising it would be fine, the only gripe I have is with the smell, I hate it. Not looking forward to a future where every high street has cafes and the whole place will reek of weed.
 
Thanks. So, basically, it's another of the more harmful drugs that exist only because of the prohibition of less harmful drugs.

Not exactly, not in this case. The effects of synthetic cathinones are different to the effects of cathinone. So they'd probably have been made anyway, even if cathinone was legal. Especially if it was only legal in its natural form (chewing khat leaves), which is the case in a few countries. But prohibition was a factor. Initially, synthetic cathinones weren't illegal because they were a new thing and thus not on banned lists.
 
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I'm pretty close, smoked one once when I was 18, and never since. It just doesn't interest me. I'm not really against it, and think legalising it would be fine, the only gripe I have is with the smell, I hate it. Not looking forward to a future where every high street has cafes and the whole place will reek of weed.

If I was The Glorious Leader, I'd ban smoking cannabis (or anything else) and allow regulated use of cannabinoids using a different drug delivery system. Taking drugs is one thing. Forcing things on other people is a very different thing.
 
If I was The Glorious Leader, I'd ban smoking cannabis (or anything else) and allow regulated use of cannabinoids using a different drug delivery system. Taking drugs is one thing. Forcing things on other people is a very different thing.
I'm incredibly ignorant, but how do the cafes in Amsterdam get over this? Are they forced to install certain filters? Or does it smell when you walk past the cafes?
 
I have an acquaintance who services ovens for the council, he has to enter multiple council flats each day in a particular estate and gives plenty of warning beforehand that he's coming.

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.
 
I have an acquaintance who services ovens for the council, he has to enter multiple council flats each day in a particular estate and gives plenty of warning beforehand that he's coming.

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.
So should alcohol be illegal because some people become abusive alcoholics?
 
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