Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

[mid_gen]

I have an acquaintance who services ovens for the council, he has to enter multiple council flats each day in a particular estate and gives plenty of warning beforehand that he's coming.

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.

The Christmas day I had this year, watching a grandmother get so paralytic she fell over in the kitchen and couldn't physically get up, get carried to bed where she slept for an hour, then got up and started on the brandy again, all in front of her grandkids.....this in a family that has already seen one person die from alcoholism in the last few years, with another on the way.

Another family member lost their partner a couple of days ago.....a history of alcohol problems, stacked their car, no definite cause of death yet, but writing is on the wall on that one. Two kids without a father.

If we're going to ban things based on actual harm, alcohol tops the list, it's incredibly destructive and utterly pervasive in this country. We have a horrific cultural problem with booze.

 

[Lightnix]

If we're going to ban things based on actual harm, alcohol tops the list, it's incredibly destructive and utterly pervasive in this country. We have a horrific cultural problem with booze.

I kind of agree. I mean we can't, because prohibition doesn't work and alcohol is just too easy to produce. But I do think this whole culture of "you must accept a drink unless you're willing to divulge your medical history/religious beliefs to get you somehow socially exempted" thing some people seem to engage in should die a death.

 

[mid_gen]

I kind of agree. I mean we can't, because prohibition doesn't work and alcohol is just too easy to produce. But I do think this whole culture of "you must accept a drink unless you're willing to divulge your medical history/religious beliefs to get you somehow socially exempted" thing some people seem to engage in should die a death.

Oh I don't think banning it is the answer, same as it isn't the answer with weed or psychedelics. There needs to be a vastly better safety net to help support people that do end up abusing drugs though, be it alcohol or anything else.

 

[I kill Bunnies]

SKUNK CANNABIS KILLS FAMILIES

London man who killed girlfriend and her relatives as ‘sacrifice’ jailed for life

Joshua Jacques, 29, murdered Samantha Drummonds and three of her family at their home in 2022

www.theguardian.com

 

[Thekwango]

SKUNK CANNABIS KILLS FAMILIES

London man who killed girlfriend and her relatives as ‘sacrifice’ jailed for life

Joshua Jacques, 29, murdered Samantha Drummonds and three of her family at their home in 2022

www.theguardian.com

That also mentions a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. You know that violence stemming from alcohol use, even in moderation, is a far more likely occurrence?
I don’t want to go all ‘flower power man’ but give me a stoner over a drunk any day of the week.

Edit: are you aware that legalising cannabis would almost certainly reduce the prevalence of skunk?

 

[Angilion]

I have an acquaintance who services ovens for the council, he has to enter multiple council flats each day in a particular estate and gives plenty of warning beforehand that he's coming.

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.

Yes, I would. I probably haven't seen it as often as he has, but I have seen a bit of it and I know there's a lot more that I haven't seen. It's part of the reason why I favour legalisation. Firstly, legalisation would enable the study of the effects of cannabinoids and combinations of cannabinoids, which is badly needed and bordering on impossible with the current system. I'd bet good money that the people your acquaintance sees are smoking a version engineered for far higher THC content and far lower content of other cannabinoids. Secondly, legalisation would enable a larger degree of control over it. Thirdly, legalisation would reduce the involvement of dangerous criminals by reducing the amount of money and power they can make from it.

Ask you acquaintance how well he thinks the current system is working.

 

[Maple Leaf]

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.

Yes, and there are far more people who live on benefits and have a similar lifestyle on alcohol. The amount of violence caused by drunks is off-the-scale. But just because there are alcoholics does that mean we should ban alcohol for everyone?

SKUNK CANNABIS KILLS FAMILIES

As has been explained numerous times in this thread, street cannabis in this country is almost entirely "Skunk" (a strain bred to have a high THC/low CBD ratio) because recreational cannabis is illegal and its production and distribution is controlled by ruthless criminal gangs.

The likelihood of having temporary psychotic symptoms (in heavy users who are genetically susceptible) is far higher with Skunk than it would be for the previously available equal THC/CBD ratio strains. Therefore, making cannabis illegal caused the black market cannabis to become more toxic and to use that as a reason to keep cannabis illegal is disingenuous.

Another example of this effect is the (initially legal) synthetic cannabinoid "Spice" which only became popular because much safer natural cannabis was illegal. It remained popular in some groups (prisoners/homeless addicts) because of its potency and the sledgehammer effect it delivers to users, despite its high toxicity and propensity to cause mental illness.

If recreational cannabis was legalised under a state-regulated distribution system then Skunk could be eliminated from the supply chain and much safer strains would be available for users to consume.

To use the existence of Skunk to justify continued cannabis prohibition would be analogous to the US politicians who prohibited alcohol in the early 20th century saying, after a few years of prohibition, that the toxic methanol-laced moonshine (distributed by the mafia) that people were drinking illegally was further evidence of how dangerous alcohol was and why it must be kept illegal! (Making alcohol illegal made the harm it did worse because it was then produced and distributed by ruthless criminals who didn't care about producing a safe product, just a profitable one.)

 

[mid_gen]

To use the existence of Skunk to justify continued cannabis prohibition would be analogous to the US politicians who prohibited alcohol in the early 20th century saying, after a few years of prohibition, that the toxic methanol-laced moonshine)

Fun fact : for a period during prohibition the US government deliberately poisoned industrial alcohol which they knew full well people were drinking. God knows many of their own citizens were killed.

 

[I kill Bunnies]

When I was 17 my best friend Alan was a massive stoner. I would pop around during the day when his parents were out and he would always be smoking out in the garden.

Over time he developed a bad cough and he would also have terrible mood swings. One afternoon I went around and he was in the garden rolling up after smoking all morning. He looked up to say hello and a Ford Escort flew over the hedge and killed him.

 

[randal]

When I was 17 my best friend Alan was a massive stoner. I would pop around during the day when his parents were out and he would always be smoking out in the garden.

Over time he developed a bad cough and he would also have terrible mood swings. One afternoon I went around and he was in the garden rolling up after smoking all morning. He looked up to say hello and a Ford Escort flew over the hedge and killed him.

Ban Ford Escorts.

 

[Thekwango]

When I was 17 my best friend Alan was a massive stoner. I would pop around during the day when his parents were out and he would always be smoking out in the garden.

Over time he developed a bad cough and he would also have terrible mood swings. One afternoon I went around and he was in the garden rolling up after smoking all morning. He looked up to say hello and a Ford Escort flew over the hedge and killed him.

So your just a bs merchant then.

 

[hurfdurf]

I have an acquaintance who services ovens for the council, he has to enter multiple council flats each day in a particular estate and gives plenty of warning beforehand that he's coming.

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.

I too went to poor areas to see terrible parents and was shocked to find their behaviour, only the thing I’m going to focus is the TV being on, they also all had mobile phones. Shocking. Ban TV’s and mobile phones, make them class A drugs.

I too am a brain dead idiot who thinks correlation equals causation.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I too went to poor areas to see terrible parents and was shocked to find their behaviour

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[Diddums]

I have an acquaintance who services ovens for the council, he has to enter multiple council flats each day in a particular estate and gives plenty of warning beforehand that he's coming.

He explained that if you witnessed what he had then you would not be pushing for legalization. He states some couples just sit in all day smoking the stuff in front of their young kids and they regularly display phychotic behaviour with fits of extreme violence and paranoia.

Wait till you find out what alcoholics do

 

[hurfdurf]

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One of my rules is no single mums!

 

[Scougar]

Lessons learnt from 'medical' variants here in the USA. You knew it would happen.. as soon as it became 'legal' the government found ways to make it extremely expensive for those that actually needed it for anything medicinal. It's fairly easy to get a card. My wife had one, as she has Chronic Fatigue/Pain conditions. She doesn't actually like it.

Second, nothing really changed, it's just another place to buy it. I guess it became slightly less taboo, but nothing crazy seemed to happen when it was legalized. I would say that vaping is actually more of a health concern than weed.

I would agree that it makes us more casual in our regard to drugs though.

 

[Orangeade]

The problem I have with drugs is that it's often taken by boring people who think they become more interesting/entertaining.

When it really does not.

Would rather hang out with cocaine and MDMA users though than weed users who are insufferably boring to a fault and just sloth around.

For me alcohol is good enough.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

Would rather hang out with cocaine and MDMA users though than weed users who are insufferably boring to a fault and just sloth around.

Unless they are doing both

Edit: I imagine

 

[hurfdurf]

Lessons learnt from 'medical' variants here in the USA. You knew it would happen.. as soon as it became 'legal' the government found ways to make it extremely expensive for those that actually needed it for anything medicinal. It's fairly easy to get a card. My wife had one, as she has Chronic Fatigue/Pain conditions. She doesn't actually like it.

Second, nothing really changed, it's just another place to buy it. I guess it became slightly less taboo, but nothing crazy seemed to happen when it was legalized. I would say that vaping is actually more of a health concern than weed.

I would agree that it makes us more casual in our regard to drugs though.

And the fact that you won’t get arrested or killed by police officers looking for an excuse to enact state violence?

I’m assuming you forgot this part because you are white? It’s a fairly big part.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Lessons learnt from 'medical' variants here in the USA. You knew it would happen.. as soon as it became 'legal' the government found ways to make it extremely expensive for those that actually needed it for anything medicinal.

Yes, but the tax revenue raised by legal cannabis and the savings on law enforcement/court cases/prisons mean that the legalisation of cannabis is a net financial win for society.

People legally using medical cannabis on private prescription in the UK (there were only 4 NHS prescriptions for it nationwide last time I checked) still risk being arrested, having their medical cannabis confiscated and being prosecuted because most Police officers are so ignorant about the change in the law.

Medical cannabis on private prescription is very expensive in the UK too. That may be another reason why the UK government is unwilling to consider legalising it for home production and use (as they just did in Germany).

After all, if you can legally grow medicinal Cannabis indica plants and use them to treat your MS, arthritis, epilepsy, chronic muscular back pain etc, just as effectively as a patented cannabis drug which costs >£1,000 per month then the Pharmaceutical companies are going to lose a fortune and they have friends in high places.