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Making a murderer - The Avery case (Spoilers)
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Isn't he Danny Rose
I was confused at first when coming back into this thread, then I twigged it had been merged
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I haven't really read much of the comments in this thread in case there's any spoilers of what's happened in the cases of Stephen Avery and Brendan Dassey since the end of season 2. But just to say, man, the series is incredible! I'm totally gripped. I've watched all 20 episodes since Tuesday and am gutted there's no season 3 yet. I absolutely hope we get to see Zellner sticking it to them in court. She's one utterly brilliant woman isn't she.
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Interesting. Maybe I'm overrating her then. But so much of the stuff she's said looks like it should get Stephen a new trial.
Examples:
"The hostile phone call argument between Barb, Stephen and Scott where Barb admits that Theresa did actually leave the property, indicating that the murder didn't happen where they thought.
No mixing of blood in the car of Stephen's cut finger and the blood of the dead body.
Fassbender's withholding Bobby's CD of deviant porn so as not to take away Bobby's credibility as a witness.
No phosphorus and calcite on the bullet.
The cutting of the bones, something that people who hunt deer would have experience of, i.e, Bobby and Scott."
No mixing of blood in the car of Stephen's cut finger and the blood of the dead body.
Fassbender's withholding Bobby's CD of deviant porn so as not to take away Bobby's credibility as a witness.
No phosphorus and calcite on the bullet.
The cutting of the bones, something that people who hunt deer would have experience of, i.e, Bobby and Scott."
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I see that the State of Wisconsin are using stalling tactics.
Zellner put in to have the evidence to undergo new scientific testing.
The state was granted more time till February.
Now they have been granted more time March 27.
Just let them do the tests. Why is the state running from this and trying so hard to bloke it?
Zellner put in to have the evidence to undergo new scientific testing.
The state was granted more time till February.
Now they have been granted more time March 27.
Just let them do the tests. Why is the state running from this and trying so hard to bloke it?
About point 1: none of the actual evidence suggests that Teresa did in fact leave. She wasn't seen by anyone, nobody heard from her after she arrived at Avery's, she didn't make a phone call or listened to her voice mail. Barb wasn't home when Teresa was at Avery's, so whatever she has to say about her arrival or leaving is, at best, hearsay anyway.
From a different perspective: at the time the cops were supposedly planting evidence they did not know nobody had seen Teresa somewhere away from Avery's after the appointment. Nor did they did that Teresa had stopped using her phone after she visited Avery. Were the cops just taking the gamble?
About point 2: never really understood why that is such a big red flag to some. Nobody knows exactly when Avery reopened that cut on his finger. Is there any evidence that he did while loading the body in the car? I don't think so. Did the jury hear of any such evidence?
About point 3: that's not per sé Bobby's porn, and if you're saying it was Bobby who kept it on a CD (because you call it "Bobby's CD") - it wasn't his CD. The CD was a copy made by the cops of some of the material found on the hard disk drive of the family pc. There was one pc in the whole Janda/Dassey residence and also one user account. Though it was confiscated from Bobby's room, it was also known to have been in Blaine's room for some time and chatlog evidence shows all Dassey's and Barb actually used the computer. Also, recently released recorded phone calls have Steven and Barb talking about the sick stuff all Barb's sons, including Brendan, were looking up on the computer.
About point 4: the lack of bone material says that the bullet probably didn't hit bone. The state never said this was the bullet that hit Teresa's skull. Only Zellner says that the State said so. Why would the State ever make such a claim? It was never about which bullet hit what part.
About point 5: and Steven. Wasn't there some reference in the recently released jail recordings about his hunting license? Also interesting is that next to Steven's burn pit there were a bunch tools found, like a spade, a shovel, a hammer, etc, They had burn marks on them, suggesting they were used during a fire. Which fire? Well, Blaine testified that Steven only ever had one fire in that (relatively new) burn pit, which was the fire on Halloween.
How many times has Zellner filed for extensions?
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Well you certainly make thought provoking counter points. So do you think Stephen Avery is guilty as charged?
Well, yeah. I used to think he could very well be innocent, but after doing some more reading I think it's clear he did it. He's the last person to see her alive, all evidence points to him, and his activities match up perfectly to the crime and evidence.
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I have done no additional reading, what about the vile of his blood with a hole in it, what about her phone being picked up on another tower, what about her diary and her BF or whatever it was..
It was never used at Avery's 2007 trial because the Defense abandoned it. There was a nurse ready to testify she was the one who made the hole in the top of the tube. She made that hole because that's how nurses get the blood in the vial.
Iirc when Zellner took the case she had to decide whether to adopt this theory or not and she chose not to because she believes the blood in the car is from 2005.
Zellner brings this up in one of the latter episodes, but I think she never actually put this in any of her motions. Cell phone towers can have tens of miles of reach, and the Avery property falls within reach of the tower that the show mentions.
You mean that piece of paper that Zellner calls a "day planner"? Long story. In the tv show Zellner claims Ryan got it from Halbach's car after the murder. Basically this claim rests on a certain Steve Speckman, who nowadays says he called Halbach on the day of her murder. He says Halbach was in Sheboygan when she picked up and at some point said she was going to write down something, which would be an entry on the day planner. After this Halbach went to another string of appointments including Avery and there wasn't time to stop at her home and drop the day planner there. So whoever got hold of it must've gotten it from her car, after the murder.
However, Halbach's phone records show she used her landline several times that day. So she wasn't in Sheboygan. She was home. She also used her mobile phone several times that day and it pinged off to a cell phone tower covering her home area. The first time it pinged to a different cell tower was when she went to the string of appointments including Avery.
In her first motion Zellner accused Ryan of being the killer partially because of the day planner, but she has now substituted him for Bobby Dassey because there was disturbing porn on the family computer.
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