Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20

Maybe because other teams can see how it might benefit them, rather than them feeling threatened by Merc?

At the moment its making an Ok car fast. It has the potential to make a fast car faster.

As far as I can tell though it does appear to be a 1 team campaign against it from RBR, with Lotus sort of scuttling about in the shadows waiting to jump in if they feel they might win. Everyone else seems less than bothered about it.
 
arknor said:
we havent really saw the pace of the mercedes in a race yet

in aus msc had a gearbox failure
in malaysia he got taken out and ended up struggling to get heat into the tyres like button did

RBR care because its another car between them and mclaren on the starting grid
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How can you not see that the car is a dog, again? They've had problems with the tires for the past three seasons now and they've not managed to sort it. There's an inherent design flaw which is causing the car to abuse its tires which they've still not been able to get rid of. That's the problem, not the "oh noes msc crashed".
 
I was reading an article on BBC the other day and the writer stated that while in qualifying, it can benefit the car, in the race it hinders the car (due to faster tyre wear).
 
I can't see how the duct system significantly affects tyre wear? But yes the main benefit is in qualifying and that makes it worse as you've got the 'slow' merc ahead of the RB's on the grid...

I was just reading the scarbs link and thinking about it, could it be that the merc duct system would conflict with whatever the slot at the front of the RB8 is doing? I know they say it's for 'cooling' and speculation that it helps the air 'stick' to the nose but I wouldn't be surprised if it does more and so it would be a case of the RB8 slot OR the merc duct (which is only really useful in Q)...

McLaren seem to be very quiet on it overall, and they already have a Q advantage, if they're one of the first to copy it we could see quite a few front row lockouts :)
 
Skeeter said:
There are 2 drivers at Merc, you know...
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yea rosberg has been eating tyres schumacher hasnt...
schumachers tyres in aus looked brand new when he retired

malaysia they had problems getting head into the tyres which is the exact oposite of beeing to hard on your tyres
 
But he still finished both races, which goes against your claim that we haven't seen the race pace of the Merc yet. Of the 4 total race distances they could have done, they have completed over 3. Yeah Schumacher had some bad luck, but its not like they have both retired on the first lap of both races.

We have a very good indication of what the Merc's race pace is: Average.
 
sunama said:
Basically, they have continued on from their 2011 pace.
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Yep, but rather than being on their own in the 'no mans land' between the top 3 and the rest, Ferrari have come back to chill with them, RBR are peering over the fence, and Lotus keep popping in for a chat :D
 
Skeeter said:
Yep, but rather than being on their own in the 'no mans land' between the top 3 and the rest, Ferrari have come back to chill with them, RBR are peering over the fence, and Lotus keep popping in for a chat :D
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And Sauber want to borrow some sugar :eek:
 
sunama said:
I'm still not understanding why there is so much fuss about the Merc wing.
The Merc wing has helped net the Merc team a grand total of 1 point from 4 starts.
There speed in qualifying has been "okay", nothing stellar.
Their race pace has been average (same as last year), nothing stellar.

So tell me, why all the excitement about Merc's innovation? What have I missed?

The car I would be looking at more closely would be the McLaren.
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Why do you keep beating this drum?

You said the same thing about the Williams last year, no matter how many people tried to correct you. There are so many parts to a Formula 1 car that one beneficial part won't necessarily make up for it being average overall, but that doesn't make that one component as average as the rest.

The McLaren isn't a perfect car any more than the Red Bull was last season (otherwise it would still be way out ahead), as can be grasped by the fact that they will continue to improve it as the season goes on. If the Mercedes wing is worth the effort for the gain, you can bet most teams will adopt it.
 
Weebull said:
Why do you keep beating this drum?

You said the same thing about the Williams last year, no matter how many people tried to correct you. There are so many parts to a Formula 1 car that one beneficial part won't necessarily make up for it being average overall, but that doesn't make that one component as average as the rest.
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Correct me about what?
The fact that Williams made their worst car in their F1 history?
Or the fact that nobody copied their small back end (which I have now been proved right on - as we can now see that 1 year on, nobody copied them).

Weebull said:
The McLaren isn't a perfect car any more than the Red Bull was last season (otherwise it would still be way out ahead), as can be grasped by the fact that they will continue to improve it as the season goes on. If the Mercedes wing is worth the effort for the gain, you can bet most teams will adopt it.
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No car will ever be "perfect". Even you should know that...tut tut.
But what you want is to copy the best innovations, not the worst.
Just as nobody copied Williams' small back-end, I can't understand why anybody would want to look to copy Merc's design, UNLESS there is something that I don't know.

And as you can see by the replies above, nobody quite understands why RBR or any other team would be so up in arms over the Merc front wing DRS. At this stage, we can only theorise or make guesses (which people above have). Others are as much in the dark as I am regarding this.

HOWEVER, it would appear that the great Weebull does have a definitive answer and is most irate over the fact that anybody would dare ask what the fuss over the front DRS is.

I tell you what Weebull.
Do me a huge favour.
Please put me on your ignore list.
I beg you.
Do it.
 
You know what, I was halfway through a post about the topic we were actually discussing, but clearly I've done something to upset you, even though I have no idea what it was. I was just trying to discuss F1 on this F1 discussion forum. I'm sorry if I've offended you somehow.

I'm not going to put you on ignore, as I have no reason to. I'll just not bother to challenge anything you say, if that's what you'd prefer.
 
Correct me about what?
The fact that Williams made their worst car in their F1 history?
Or the fact that nobody copied their small back end (which I have now been proved right on - as we can now see that 1 year on, nobody copied them).
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what teams dont have a small backend with plenty of space for air to move into the diffuser and beamwing?
 
At the risk of starting a fight...

Aren't a number of cars sporting much more tightly packed rear ends this year compared to last year? Mercedes spring to mind, as do Ferrari, and I'm sure a number of others were too.

The uber low gearbox may not have been copied, but the overall concept of making the rear end as tightly packaged as possible definitely has.
 
Skeeter said:
At the risk of starting a fight...

Aren't a number of cars sporting much more tightly packed rear ends this year compared to last year? Mercedes spring to mind, as do Ferrari, and I'm sure a number of others were too.

The uber low gearbox may not have been copied, but the overall concept of making the rear end as tightly packaged as possible definitely has.
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See, this is what I thought was the case, hence what I said in my post.
 
Weebull said:
You said the same thing about the Williams last year, no matter how many people tried to correct you. There are so many parts to a Formula 1 car that one beneficial part won't necessarily make up for it being average overall, but that doesn't make that one component as average as the rest..
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Exactly we don't know that that wing isn't the single best thing on the Merc and that removing it would lose them half a second and that apart from that the car sucks.

We also don't know if having it on the Mclaren would add time. Just because the merc isn't doing well it would be wrong to assume that an invention is **** because the complete package sucks.

Clearly some teams think there is something in it or they would just stand there continuing to point and laugh. Fair play to brawn for again coming up with something to compensate for having to run schumacher ;)
 
lol old british people still upset about poor hill... maybe if he was a better driver that faster car wouldnt have been behind in the first place
 
So how long do you think Sunama will avoid posting in this thread hoping we continual forget him being wrong yet again but doesnt have the id to admit it himself?

I smell schadenfreude popcorn :)

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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