What worked?
Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20
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What worked?
I am sure you can work it out
Not really?
And its not about developing Alonso's own set-ups, its about developing the car in general as Ferrari, and most of the F1 paddock, in fact pretty much everyone everywhere except you has said the Ferrari as 'a car' is way behind where it needs to be. So what the number 1 driver needs is for the number 2 guy to be putting as much miles as possible on it and feeding back great information to the team, not sticking it in the gravel and (according to you) not providing the best information to the team. Alonso needs a work horse, not a lame mule.
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The car will be developed for Fernando, and him and Felipe use pretty similar setup's so really not sure of the point you are trying to make....when have I said Ferrari are where they need to be? stop making things up to suit your argument Skeeter you always do that.
You do realise they are pretty limited in how much miles and miles they can do? be it with tyre limits, gearbox limits, and engine limits? Massa lost about 15 minutes in Aus, really dramatic right....Alonso made a more costly mistake in qualifying. If you think Massa should be the focus for developing the car then you really are over rating him.
As for 2008, the forgotten no2...
You do realise they are pretty limited in how much miles and miles they can do? be it with tyre limits, gearbox limits, and engine limits? Massa lost about 15 minutes in Aus, really dramatic right....Alonso made a more costly mistake in qualifying. If you think Massa should be the focus for developing the car then you really are over rating him.
As for 2008, the forgotten no2...
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You guys are assuming that Ferrari have a 1 - 2 system so early in the championship. I'm not so sure that it is a black and white as people make out.
If Alonso DNF the first 3 races and Massa won them, would you consider Alonso the #1 still and expect Ferrari to tell Massa to move over?
It's dangerous for a team to put everythig behind one driver so early on in the season.
If Alonso DNF the first 3 races and Massa won them, would you consider Alonso the #1 still and expect Ferrari to tell Massa to move over?
It's dangerous for a team to put everythig behind one driver so early on in the season.
The difference for McLaren in 2008 though was that they didn't start the season with a dog of a car. They also don't run a full out 1st driver policy like Ferrari do.
If Ferrari are as committed to a 1 driver policy as they say they are then everything Massa does should be to the benefit of Alonso. But if he isn't taking points of Alonso's rivals and isn't any good at developing the car, what is he good for?
If Ferrari are as committed to a 1 driver policy as they say they are then everything Massa does should be to the benefit of Alonso. But if he isn't taking points of Alonso's rivals and isn't any good at developing the car, what is he good for?
Not sure what the performance of the car has to do with it? Heikki had to move over 3/4 times in 2008 so yes they ran a clear no1 policy.
I think you are just being silly with the 2nd point
As proven in 2010 when the car is capable of winning then Felipe will be there as a no2. I have already said this will be Massa's last year at Ferrari, do you really expect them to replace him after 1 race? Massa is not the problem at Ferrari unless you are saying he is to blame?But that's the point, the car isn't capable of winning.
I'n the old days Ferrari would have just opened the back doors and stuck a test driver in the car and run it around Fiorano for days on end to develop the car. They can't any more. 50% of all development time available to the car is at the hands of Massa, and as you yourself said, he cannot drive around a poor car.
I'n the old days Ferrari would have just opened the back doors and stuck a test driver in the car and run it around Fiorano for days on end to develop the car. They can't any more. 50% of all development time available to the car is at the hands of Massa, and as you yourself said, he cannot drive around a poor car.
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Dude, seriously. Do you honestly believe that Massa could win 3 races with Alonso scoring zero points? I mean, its possible. It's possible that I may grow A 14" penis and become a huge porn star...but its highly unlikely.
And with regards to the danger of putting everything into 1 driver: when you have hired what Ferrari perceive as the best driver in the World and have pretty much agreed to base the entire team around that one driver. And that driver is delivering (and extracting everything out of the car), there isn't much danger. If Alonso were to injure himself (as MSc did in 1998 (was it?)), then the team will begin to focus on Massa. But until then, while Alonso is delivering...Ferrari are doing the right thing.
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Lol - no i don't believe Massa could win 3 races in a row without the best car.
I'm just saying that it's very early in the season, and although Alonso is the future of Ferrari, they don't usually start issuing orders or showing a 1st driver 2nd driver policy, until 1 of them is a clear points leader.
I think we saw that early in 2010, hence why Alonso took things into his own hands early in the season, overtaking Massa in the pits etc..
Doesnt the weather in Malaysia change rapidly, from sunny to monsoon in a few hours?
If this is the case, then the weather today has little bearing on the weather on Sunday.
Personally, I would prefer a nice dry race, if only to get a clear idea of what the actual pecking order is.
I have a feeling that on a dry track in Malaysia, Vettel might get the win.
If its wet, I can't see anybody other than Button winning (barring some form of disaster).
If this is the case, then the weather today has little bearing on the weather on Sunday.
Personally, I would prefer a nice dry race, if only to get a clear idea of what the actual pecking order is.
I have a feeling that on a dry track in Malaysia, Vettel might get the win.
If its wet, I can't see anybody other than Button winning (barring some form of disaster).
Button doesn't actually do that well on a full wet track - I'd favour hamilton, alonso or schumacher in that situation.
But when the rain stops and a dry line starts to form, the guy is a legend.
