Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20

If memory serves me correct, I believe Merc said that they gambled on a wet race. As such they put on a wet setup. While RBR and McLaren had gone for an "in-between" setup.

What this meant was that in the wet, the Merc was indeed fast. But the moment it started to dry, the RBR and McLaren cars were much much faster and MSc got eaten up.

Would MSc be able to beat Button in a wet race, fair and square?
I think it is has been proved beyond reasonable doubt (over the last few years), that moment the track is wet, Button, for whatever reason, begins to move up places. When Hamilton hadn't been "broken", he would beat Button almost every time in a dry race, but in the wet races, Button was the boss. For evidence of this see the first 4 races of 2010 (2 of them were wet and Button was leading the title race...we then hit the dry races and Hamilton usurped him).

If you check every single wet race over the last 2 years, comparing Button with MSc - there is no comparison...Button has an uncanny method of moving up the field. MSc does not possess this ability.

Don't get me wrong, in his first career, MSc was daddy of F1. He was the man to beat. Even when Alonso beat him in 2005, MSc was still the daddy. But the moment Alonso beat him in 2006, MSc knew the game was up and decided to call it quits...the mantle had passed on. In his 2nd career, MSc is not the same driver he was 10 years ago.
stick button in the ****** merc..
we all know what button was like until he had one of the best cars average and over looked..
theres a reason someone got the nick name of the reinmaster, nearly everytime button does well in the wet its because hes got no choice other than to take a gamble anyway LOL.


maybe sparks can explain the difference between a wet and a dry setup in modern formula one. (ross brawns said theres very little you can change and theres not really any such thing anymore)
 
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I don't know what's worse. Filming them selves in the first place without thinking it will end up on the internet, or acting all shocked when it inevitably does.

The least they could do is make a decent video though ;)

I have now had a chance to view the video in question.
I would actually say that it is a decent video and that Tulisa is pretty damn good at what she does.
I wonder what Simon Cowell makes of it.

For what it was: 9/10 ;)
 
we all know what button was like until he had one of the best cars average and over looked..

So he went straight from a single year in Formula Ford and a single year in F3 into a race seat with Williams F1 by being 'average', and the 2004 BAR was the best car on the grid...

:rolleyes:
 
So he went straight from a single year in Formula Ford and a single year in F3 into a race seat with Williams F1 by being 'average', and the 2004 BAR was the best car on the grid...

:rolleyes:

He looked pretty decent in the Williams, looked terrible in Renault, so so at BAR, but he has developed a lot since those days, probably the hard years at Renault serve him well now, something I like most drivers to do, would love to see Lewis in a midfield car for instance.
 
How to know when you watch porn: you start complaining about the production values of a celebrity sex tape.

Couldnt agree more.

I for one admire both the quality and various techniques involved in said production.

I feel that she did rather well.
 
He looked pretty decent in the Williams, looked terrible in Renault, so so at BAR, but he has developed a lot since those days, probably the hard years at Renault serve him well now, something I like most drivers to do, would love to see Lewis in a midfield car for instance.

At the start of 2009, Hamilton was in a midfield car. That car was a nightmare at the start of the season. Though, at that time Hamilton was a top line driver. You can't really compare "that" Hamilton with today's Hamilton.

I realise that there are lot of MSc fans, but some people just don't want to let go of past glories. In any sport, a sportsman can not hold top spot indefinitely. At some stage, your ability drops and you are no longer what you once were. MSc was the best. No question about it. But to even suggest that the MSc we have seen getting beaten by his team-mate (who is not highly rated), year-on-year, is capable of beating a current top-line driver (Button, in the wet), is ludicrous. What will these fans claim next: MSc can beat Vettel, in the dry?

You only have to look at how MSc has fared over the last 2 years. Had it been anybody except for MSc, by now he probably would've been replaced at Mercedes...probably by Sutil.

MSc's all-conquering career was over in 2006. Even he knew this and as a result, quit the sport. So, if MSc has indirectly admitted defeat, why do his fans not want to accept this?
 
At the start of 2009, Hamilton was in a midfield car. That car was a nightmare at the start of the season. Though, at that time Hamilton was a top line driver. You can't really compare "that" Hamilton with today's Hamilton.

I realise that there are lot of MSc fans, but some people just don't want to let go of past glories. In any sport, a sportsman can not hold top spot indefinitely. At some stage, your ability drops and you are no longer what you once were. MSc was the best. No question about it. But to even suggest that the MSc we have seen getting beaten by his team-mate (who is not highly rated), year-on-year, is capable of beating a current top-line driver (Button, in the wet), is ludicrous. What will these fans claim next: MSc can beat Vettel, in the dry?

You only have to look at how MSc has fared over the last 2 years. Had it been anybody except for MSc, by now he probably would've been replaced at Mercedes...probably by Sutil.

MSc's all-conquering career was over in 2006. Even he knew this and as a result, quit the sport. So, if MSc has indirectly admitted defeat, why do his fans not want to accept this?
like he was beating him in the wet in a lesser car at canada?
 
I wouldn't say Button was average and overlooked in his period in lesser cars. I read many an article saying how he was making the Honda in 07/08 do things it shouldn't be able to do - and how he maintained his precise driving style the whole time.

He looked good at the start in the Williams (I have an issue of Motorsport from 2000 laying around somewhere proclaiming Button as the next British world champ, and they were only one year out ;)), but the 2001 Renault was a dog. He had a number of points finishes in 2002 however as the Renault improved, and then moved to BAR in 2003 - when the car wasn't great.

When BAR's car got more competitive, he was immediately a regular podium contender in 2004, and had the strongest second half of the year of any driver, if memory serves. BAR's 05 car wasn't so hot, but he was a regular front runner in 2006, especially the latter half of the season, scoring his first win.

I'm not quite sure where all the Button hate comes from (not just here, all over the internet) - he's always been a strong driver, capable of consistently delivering results to the maximum his car will achieve.
 
I don't think there is any Button hate, there is just selective Button hate whenever he is compared to someone else's favourite driver.

He shon out enough to jump an entire rank of feeder formula and get into F1, then showed good skill thoughout his career with moments of greatness, and then when the machinery delivered he has shone. The thing I don't get however is why even after all this people still refuse to let him anywhere near the "top drivers" pool (Currently Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton). He has done no worse over the last few years as a whole than Alonso has, and a dam sight better than Hamilton more recently, yet he seems well end truly stuck in that 'second teir' of F1 drivers. Even if he wins this year I doubt many people will rank him among the other 2 timers on the grid of Alonso and Vettel.
 
... yet he seems well end truly stuck in that 'second teir' of F1 drivers. Even if he wins this year I doubt many people will rank him among the other 2 timers on the grid of Alonso and Vettel.

dont waste your time mate - even if JB were to beat LH in the same car for a 2nd season in a row (and hopefully collect the WDC to boot) I very much doubt many on here would rate him higher than Lewis (let alone Alonso or Vettel)

As stated earlier, a lot on here want to highlight minor mistakes in others drives/drivers as though these are the only reason why JB wins any races at all, without giving him the credit he deserves
 
when last season I said Jenson was better than Lewis, it was uproar from the likes of you Skeeter, now you are saying oh poor Jenson never given credit, when yet it was given you did not like it....
 
theres a reason someone got the nick name of the reinmaster,)

Yeah an electronics package light years ahead of the rest of the field. :D

I'm not quite sure where all the Button hate comes from (not just here, all over the internet) - he's always been a strong driver, capable of consistently delivering results to the maximum his car will achieve.

It comes from his benetton days, his attitude there and turning his back on poor old frank with the contract wrangling. Or getting his then GF to have an abortion with the promise of staying together, to then run for the hills.

Most of my friends that watch gp's still hate him and cannot get it into their heads that he was a young man whose head was turned when every thing fell into his lap. He just wasn't mature enough or mentally ready. He didn't get the greatest advice either.

People just don't seem to want to accept he's no longer the same person he was at 21. We all have done lot's of growing up since then.

He made lot's of mistakes in his early 20's. The good thing is he stopped making them.
 
I think Button has the opportunity over the remainder of his career to elevate himself into that top tier of drivers. He's got the McLaren the way he wants it, and theoretically could have a front running car until he retires.

If he continues to capitalise on this and consistently produces performances of the like of Japan last year and Melbourne this year, there's no reason he can't help himself to another WDC or two.
 
It comes from his benetton days, his attitude there and turning his back on poor old frank with the contract wrangling. Or getting his then GF to have an abortion with the promise of staying together, to then run for the hills.

Most of my friends that watch gp's still hate him and cannot get it into their heads that he was a young man whose head was turned when every thing fell into his lap. He just wasn't mature enough or mentally ready. He didn't get the greatest advice either.

People just don't seem to want to accept he's no longer the same person he was at 21. We all have done lot's of growing up since then.

He made lot's of mistakes in his early 20's. The good thing is he stopped making them.

A fair point. I guess the downside of being good enough to skip a large portion of the junior formulae is that you get to the F1 spotlight much earlier in your life and do your growing up in the public eye.

These days, he always comes across as one of the most genuine and grounded guys on the grid.
 
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