No it really wasnt - he was never going to get around another lap with that damage going the pace he was
Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19
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No it really wasnt - he was never going to get around another lap with that damage going the pace he was
Ferrari had a lot more data than you and seemed to think so
He went down the back straight without it breaking.It was not stuck under the car either until it broke off at the supports.
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Ferrari had a lot more data than you and seemed to think so
It was not stuck under the car either until it broke off at the supports.
Unless you think they have a "how much is the wing actually attached" sensor on the car, then they really didn't have any more data than anyone else. The fact it didn't come off in the back straight was a miracle, the fact it came off soon after was inevitable, it was absolutely the wrong call and not a gamble, it was entirely stupid. If part of the wing snapped off like, I forget who had that happen this race, but the two support parts were intact and you wanted to risk going around with lower downforce, that would be one thing, but a wing which supports HUGE huge loads under downforce that is hanging on by a thread, not a chance. They had Alonso on camera with a wing hanging off, thats the only data Ferrari had, and the instant and incredibly obvious decision is pit straight away. If one of the support struts(whatever they are called) broke but the other was completely intact, the wing wouldn't have actually been at that angle all the way across, but might have been bending/flexing at the left end. The fact that it was on that angle and clearly not in full contact with either of the struts... it was definitely going to go.
Any number of showers, safety cars and other events in the race could have gained him time back later in the race, risking the rest of the race on the first lap is mental.
Fact is it was a poor decision not to tell Alonso to limp down the backstraight and then come straight in, let alone leaving him out. It could just as easily have broken on the backstraight.
On another note, did it not seem like there were constant safety cars or reds for weather last year... did we even get two races in a row last year without a safety car?
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But Kimi, you know what you're doing?
Lol at Lewis. Fail by Alonso's engineers. Surely they would have known the load on the wing would massively increase the faster he went?
Vettel did himself no favours. Should the team ever ask Webber to concede position he won't listen. Vettel hasn't helped himself later in the season if he needs the help.
The change in air pressures caused by the RBR passing him looks to have been the cause of the wing detaching.
I can see what Ferrari were thinking, and had it stayed on, or slid off sideways it might have worked for them.
It was a risk staying out, but that's the name of the game. Its all very well saying it was the wrong call with hindsight, but you don't win in F1 without pushing your luck every now and then.
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Managed to miss any spoilers trying to post this, but watching it delayed on iplayer.
Vettel, what a **** asking rb to get webber to let him past.
If you're faster than him, overtake him.
kd
Vettel, what a **** asking rb to get webber to let him past.
If you're faster than him, overtake him.
kd
How you are not employed by a F1 team amazes me, you know everything better than any of them
Off course they have sensors to monitor all aspects of the car, Ferrari and McLaren (IIRC) even have infa red camera's running on the car to monitor the tyre heat. All those screens in the back of the garages showing screens of data are irrelevant
hah, if you think he's unhappy that he won you don't understand Vettel... of course he's happy, because he knows that in a few weeks time this'll all have died down and been forgotten about and all he's interested in is winning the WDC, ruthlessly if needed.
Anything he says is all PR talk he's been told to say from Red Bull. I don't for one minute think he's genuinely sorry for winning and passing Mark.
Anything he says is all PR talk he's been told to say from Red Bull. I don't for one minute think he's genuinely sorry for winning and passing Mark.
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I feared the worst when Alonso (stupidly, imho) went out, but thankfully we had an ill-tempered and petulant race by 3 of the top 4.
I'd delight in seeing Webber stuff over Vettel later in the season...
Alonso. Seriously, what an idiot. I'd have hoped the stewards would have blacked flagged him had he known reaped what he had sewn.
Mercedes are impressing. 3rd and 4th behind a Red Bull 1-2 is the kind of result they would have paid good money for last season.
A bad race for Lotus, but I still think Kimi is in with a chance this season.
Alonso. Seriously, what an idiot. I'd have hoped the stewards would have blacked flagged him had he known reaped what he had sewn.
Mercedes are impressing. 3rd and 4th behind a Red Bull 1-2 is the kind of result they would have paid good money for last season.
A bad race for Lotus, but I still think Kimi is in with a chance this season.
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Vettel really is a cheating scumbag. Such a shame he is going to win another championship.
Red bull looking strong. Good to see mercedes doing well.
Red bull looking strong. Good to see mercedes doing well.
I am very aware he's covering his tail that he broke his team rules.
Very entertained by Suzie Perry! Putting DC on the awkward sport as much as she can which is good (especially with DC's nose so far up Vettel's bum...)
Well at least it was an interesting race.
I think Lewis shouldn't be so hard on himself, although I understand the desire to win without relying on fuel/tyre saving team interference, Wolff said post race that Nico didn't have enough fuel either, and Brawn's radio message to Nico to say that Lewis was ALSO on fuel saving laptime targets, which is enough for me to believe that both where undertaking fuel saving measures, I don't think for one minute that had Nico had loads of fuel, they wouldn't have let him through, Nico certainly didn't intimate there was a 1-2 driver thing going on despite not being overly happy with the interference.
The situation with Webber/Vettel was definitely much worse, it's sad to see Mark quite reasonably out front and at some point the team decide that Mark has done enough so both need to ensure a 1-2 by saving fuel/tyres and give the order, but Vettel just ignored it and inevitably as most top racing drivers do, metaphorically ran over his own grandmother to get that win.. Not unexpected but shows he is one of the least sporting drivers on the grid..
Still, you expect this kind of thing with fuel saving, so I hope the teams start getting a little less optimistic with their fuel loads in future.
I think Lewis shouldn't be so hard on himself, although I understand the desire to win without relying on fuel/tyre saving team interference, Wolff said post race that Nico didn't have enough fuel either, and Brawn's radio message to Nico to say that Lewis was ALSO on fuel saving laptime targets, which is enough for me to believe that both where undertaking fuel saving measures, I don't think for one minute that had Nico had loads of fuel, they wouldn't have let him through, Nico certainly didn't intimate there was a 1-2 driver thing going on despite not being overly happy with the interference.
The situation with Webber/Vettel was definitely much worse, it's sad to see Mark quite reasonably out front and at some point the team decide that Mark has done enough so both need to ensure a 1-2 by saving fuel/tyres and give the order, but Vettel just ignored it and inevitably as most top racing drivers do, metaphorically ran over his own grandmother to get that win.. Not unexpected but shows he is one of the least sporting drivers on the grid..
Still, you expect this kind of thing with fuel saving, so I hope the teams start getting a little less optimistic with their fuel loads in future.
