Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

Unless Red Bull take some sort of action internally then Webber, if he is to retire at the end of the season as some seem to think will blatantly ignore any team request then appear contrite and apologetic on the podium. If he gets punished and Vettel doesn't then he can stand up at the end of the season and say without any guilt, 'Christian talks a lot of ******** about there not being a number one at that team'
 
All I hope for is one large dose of karma for vettel at some point later in the season. Wonder how much longer Mark will stomach the vettel love in before something gives and he stops caring about his contract.
 
Kenai said:
Or perhaps just obeying the team orders, knowing that he'll suffer much more significantly than Seb ever will for disobeying the team.
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By that point it would have been clear Vettel wasn't listening to the team orders, so again, his choice to obey, not unfair.

I've not heard a single thing that makes the situation unfair. I can see plenty of reasons for people to not like it and think Vettel is an arse, but that's not the same thing.
 
^^it IS all an assumption, but you present it as fact. The more you post the more I understand why you are unable to understand why this situation is unfair.

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All I hope for is one large dose of karma for vettel at some point later in the season. Wonder how much longer Mark will stomach the vettel love in before something gives and he stops caring about his contract.
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Hopefully webber either gets himself into a position to win the championship, or to strip it away from Vettel at the last race. Unfortunately webber is too sporting to do such a thing. At least in future he won't follow team orders to support Vettel if such a need arises.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
The only thing that was Webber's fault is that he should know by now how unsporting Vettel is and how biased his team are. They probably didn't tell him that Vettel had turned the engine up.
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HE wouldn't necessarily of had to turn the engine up to close fast. To save fuel, and save tires you can simply not go into every corner and come out aggressively, cruising with the engine turned up is as fast as you want to go when cruising, going flat out with the engine turned down a bit can easily be faster.

Rosberg was MUCH closer to Hamilton during those last laps while Rosberg refused to overtake than Vettel was when he came out of the pits.

The fact that Vettel gained ground on Webber meant literally nothing, Webber asked and was told Vettel isn't racing him.

When cars are going slower than max pace, it's not easy to do maintain a perfect gap, or the guy infront can get one corner a bit wrong and drop a few tenths, the gap closes. The gap closing doesn't mean he intended to overtake, again look at Rosberg/hamilton for proof of this. Until Vettel actually ran at him on the start finish straight there was no reason for Webber to believe he was racing Vettel, because his team has specifically told him and then reconfirmed THAT HE WASN'T.

There was no straight fight, the only person who realised Vettel was gaining on Webber and intending to overtake, was Vettel, the team and Webber didn't know.

Either way wouldn't matter, reacting to Vettel closing would still under any possible circumstance mean Vettel gaining SOMETHING before he could react, that in itself is an unfair advantage, its 10 seconds, or 1 second, or 1/10th gained before Webber could react that Vettel otherwise wouldn't have had.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
^^it IS all an assumption, but you present it as fact. The more you post the more I understand why you are unable to understand why this situation is unfair.



Hopefully webber either gets himself into a position to win the championship, or to strip it away from Vettel at the last race. Unfortunately webber is too sporting to do such a thing. At least in future he won't follow team orders to support Vettel if such a need arises.
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WE'll see, would be quite funny if come the last race Alonso only needed a second to win the title and Webber lets him through without much of a fight ;)
 
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