http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2gv9WrjSeQ&t=1m18s
Vettel may have taken an opportunity but it was not 'fair and square'.
Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2gv9WrjSeQ&t=1m18s
Vettel may have taken an opportunity but it was not 'fair and square'.
The fact one guy gets told more than once that his position isn't under threat, while the other guy blatantly ignores team orders isn't a problem in your eyes? Also the fact that it was the plan before the race even started to hold position after the last stops, so it wasn't like Vettel didn't know. It's not ruthless, it's just plain being an arse.
He'll win multiple more championships no doubt, but he's seriously in danger of going the Schumacher route with not having the respect from others that goes with the success. A lot of people today have said they have a lost a little of that for him, sportsmanship still counts for something.
And lol at the Senna quote, at least the guys he was going up against would have been pushing.
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You're living in a dream world if you truly believe those cars were ever in a straight fight after the team orders were given.
Mark got mugged by a dishonest move on Vettel's part and there wasn't a cat in hell's chance of him being able to fairly fight back for that place without serious repercussions that simply would never befall Helmut Marko's golden boy for doing the same.
Some will say that such immunity is part and parcel of being the favoured driver but whilst that may excuse it in some peoples eyes, it doesn't even remotely make what we saw 'fair and square' racing between two drivers on an equal footing.
Why not? Is Webber incapable of ignoring team orders?
Ignoring team orders allowed Vettel to have a go at overtaking Webber, but once that started it was a straight fight between them.
Absurd to say Vettel won fair and square. MW was assured twice, not once, by the team that he had won the GP (that SV was told to stay behind him until the finish).
SV got told this too, he chose defiance instead of compliance and consequently robbed MW of the win.
Simple. SV behaved like an utter **** today, regardless of highly anyone thinks of him.
SV got told this too, he chose defiance instead of compliance and consequently robbed MW of the win.
Simple. SV behaved like an utter **** today, regardless of highly anyone thinks of him.
And I sincerely believe that when Webber kept to the inside of the apex and didn't go to the outside, which would have effectively blocked Seb, it was his way of saying to the team... "look at what a **** he really is..." he guilt tripped him by letting him past in that move, pretty effectively too given Vettel's post race apologies.
Webber has been subject to years of following orders and has always given the respect to his team mate, I don't see why he needs to change. I'm sure there will be a point in this season where Vettel needs Webber's help and probably won't get it following today's events. It's such a silly thing for Vettel to do when there's still 17 Grands Prix to run!
You'd think after 3 WDCs, Vettel would show a bit more respect to the man that has moved over so many times in the past. Seb was heard earlier on moaning on the team radio that Webber wasn't moving over for him - why should he!
Anyway, yes winning at all costs is the mark of a champion, but you can't blame people for thinking he's a bit of a fool.
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There's a difference between being ruthless and uncompromising on track, and just ignoring what your team has told you to do against your own team mate though.
Vettel is highly successful, and yes the record books will always have it as a win for him today, but IMO he's a champion without any class whatsoever.
Maybe he'll need to retire and come back again like another German for people to warm to him a bit more
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What Seb did to Mark was devious imo. He knew that Mark was cruising, taking it easy and was told he was going to win. And he snatched it away from him by not doing as he was told.
Had there been no team orders and they were told to race it would be different, but once you are told to hold position you don't go and mug your own team mate and steal his birthday cake.
Quite simply, when they were racing, during the first stages of the Grand Prix, Webber kept it in front. That was fair and square racing between two drivers operating under no restrictions. Vettel was frustrated and felt he should be allowed to go in front ("get him out of my way") but he couldn't make the pass under racing conditions.
At the end, when both drivers are told that enough is enough, this is how it finishes, bring the cars home safe and sound and then one dives down the inside of his team mate, that isn't fair and square racing, that's cheating your team mate out of a win.
At the end, when both drivers are told that enough is enough, this is how it finishes, bring the cars home safe and sound and then one dives down the inside of his team mate, that isn't fair and square racing, that's cheating your team mate out of a win.
You'd get the same response. It's understandable he wants to win, but it was a dick move in anyone's book.
I know this, I am just challenging your point of 'fair and square' because it was far from that.
You'd get the same response.
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Amazing.
On another note, mclaren have gone from bad to worse. Hamilton actually made the right decision, I am seriously eating my words on that one.
At the moment it certainly seems that way, but it is still early days I suppose. Mercedes are certainly seriously outperforming where I had expected them to be at any rate, whether McLaren can sort their act out remains to be seen.
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/03/24/2013-malaysian-grand-prix-lap-times-fastest-laps/
Lap times and fastest laps. Not a lot in it between the top 4 considering the Mercs were coasting. Surprising.
Lap times and fastest laps. Not a lot in it between the top 4 considering the Mercs were coasting. Surprising.