Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

I know this, I am just challenging your point of 'fair and square' because it was far from that.

For it to be unfair one driver would have to have something the other didn't. Both have the same car, for the same team, and the same team orders. Short of having the same driver in both cars its about the fairest fight possible in F1.

The fact Vettel ignored the team orders doesn't make it unfair.

If Webber was faster he would have been able to hold Vettel off.
 
The fact Vettel ignored the team orders doesn't make it unfair.

If Webber was faster he would have been able to hold Vettel off.

Yes it does, and Webber did exactly that for the entire race until they were told to stop racing, at which point Vettel decided to mug him of the place.
 
For it to be unfair one driver would have to have something the other didn't. Both have the same car, for the same team, and the same team orders. Short of having the same driver in both cars its about the fairest fight possible in F1.

The fact Vettel ignored the team orders doesn't make it unfair.

If Webber was faster he would have been able to hold Vettel off.

:o
 
I have little respect for webber, or any of the others like him. Massa, DC and so on that sign a deal knowing they are number 2 for huge amounts of money. They keep webber on a leash with 1 year deals that probably pay well.

That said when you are told countless times the race is yours and your team mate is told that too it really is a classless **** that does what vettel did today. Hopefully a point will come in the season where he needs a result from webber to take the title and he can do what MS did to Irvine and not bother :D

Shame Gilles isn't alive to see vettel today, didn't he keep team orders even though it would cost him a title.
 
At the moment it certainly seems that way, but it is still early days I suppose. Mercedes are certainly seriously outperforming where I had expected them to be at any rate, whether McLaren can sort their act out remains to be seen.

I guess it depends on whether mercedes can continue to develop their car this season. They haven't been able to do that much in the past, certainly not to the level that mclaren can do it.


The fact Vettel ignored the team orders doesn't make it unfair.

You need to stop trolling us now tbh. That doesn't even make sense.

.... along with Rosberg and Hamilton ... what happened there was a disgrace also but full credit to Rosberg

Rosberg acted like a true professional. I am fine with the decision, as long as it works the other way around when the time comes.
 
I think it's you vs. the forum on this one.

Considering "the forum" went on a witch hunt about how Vettel should lose the championship for 3 yellow flag incidents that never happened, and went so far into wishing ill on Vettel it drove an RBR employee to have a moment and ban himself, that doesn't surprise me. Common sense is not common here.

If Webber was truly faster than Vettel then he would have held him of, not been passed and then beaten by 4 seconds.

For what it's worth I was willing them to take each other out and hand Mercedes a 1-2. But it doesn't matter, I'm going to be labeled the Vettel fanboy in this pantomime.
 
At the moment it certainly seems that way, but it is still early days I suppose. Mercedes are certainly seriously outperforming where I had expected them to be at any rate, whether McLaren can sort their act out remains to be seen.

I'm assuming that he's refering to the pitstop, not the performance. IF you believe Mclaren were better this weekend or not, and if you believe Button would have finished 5th or not, Mclaren's mistake once again cost their driver, it doesn't really matter where Button would have finished, that pitstop cost him points, full stop. It doesn't matter if Mclaren are the fastest car in a particular race, or over a season, that isn't enough to win a either titles. one of the two fastest cars AND a team that doesn't consistently screw up is required to win either title... Hamilton left because, given a great car, the team still couldn't put him in a strong position for the drivers title.

Today once again when Mclaren finally (maybe) showed performance, they still screwed it up. Hamilton made the right choice because if Merc actually get a fast car, they'll probably do something with it. Merc might make consistent screw ups as well, they've called important strategy calls wrong in two races already, but Hamilton has a 3rd and 5th which ain't bad(2 stop instead of 3, and underfuelling him too much). For Hamilton it was an unknown quantity of Merc vs the known(to him) Mclaren, whom he didn't believe in any more, quite rightly.

For it to be unfair one driver would have to have something the other didn't. Both have the same car, for the same team, and the same team orders. Short of having the same driver in both cars its about the fairest fight possible in F1.

The fact Vettel ignored the team orders doesn't make it unfair.

If Webber was faster he would have been able to hold Vettel off.

You're ignoring as per every other post, that Webber SLOWED DOWN< because he was told to, had the team not told him to do this, Vettel wouldn't have caught him as quickly, and there is literally no way at all to know if he could have passed Webber without Webber slowing down. We don't even know if he managed to turn the engine back up, how complicated is that on the car, 3 submenu's deep, or one button. Considering he was defending against Vettel all of a sudden out of nowhere he wouldn't necessarily have had time to focus on and turn the engine back up while he was heavily defending, maybe he did.

They also DIDN'T have the same car, Webbers engine was turned down and Vettel didn't turn his engine down, this meant that Vettel had a significant performance advantage up until at least he tried to overtake Webber.

Throughout the race, when they did have the same car, Vettel couldn't pass Webber, he didn't even get particularly close(in terms of within a second, sure, actually looking like he could get past, not at all). Vettel passed Webber after a couple laps with Webber having turned the engine down, told by his team Vettel is doing the same, and thats it, it categorically was not a fair fight.
 
Turning the engine down is 1 dial, the "multi" one, position 21.

If Webber didn't turn his back up that's his fault. Unless it snapped off when he turned it down the option was still there to turn it back up. Every choice Vettel made was available to Webber.

It wasn't a sudden thing either, Vettel was closing with intent for a few laps, Webber knew he was coming, and if Vettel didn't turn his engine down the team would have known.
 
It wasn't a sudden thing either, Vettel was closing with intent for a few laps, Webber knew he was coming.......

....asked for clarification of if they were racing or not, was told they categorically were not and to keep to the stipulated times and Vettel wouldn't be passing.

Then suddenly, there's Vettel alongside him.
 
Back
Top Bottom