Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

Doesn't matter what the order was, he ignored it. Had Seb been infront and been told to yeild to Webber and refused, do you think people would think that was fine? Of course not, it would be the same pages of abuse.

And its not just Bottas. Webber ignored team orders in Brazil last year, and Silverstone a couple of years back. Both have been defended by people, when the base 'issue' is the same, ignoring team orders.

And its not just the users on here, its the wider press. While we may have only just heard about Bottas not letting Pastor through, the press knew about it. Where are the articles from past racing drivers calling for a 1 race ban for Bottas to put him in his place?

Vettel is top, he is the prime target, and people are getting bored of him winning. Therefore, people are slating him whenever possible. Its as simple as that. I mean look, we even had people try and make an issue out of the fact Vettel slowed down on the finishing straight. I mean really, are you telling me thats not just people trying to find anything they possibly can to have a go at?

This forum, and the wider F1 (British) press, have an anti Vettel bias at the moment.
 
You know the issue isn't actually team orders. You ain't thick but for some reason you can't let it go, guess you are just going to have to live with the fact most people dislike Vettel that little bit more.

If someone had done the same type of thing in my personal life I'd call them a **** as is evident many others would too.
 
Skeeter said:
Doesn't matter what the order was, he ignored it. Had Seb been infront and been told to yeild to Webber and refused, do you think people would think that was fine? Of course not, it would be the same pages of abuse.
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At this stage of the season? No, I disagree. I think he would have been supported and I am genuinely surprised you think otherwise.
 
I know the issue isn't the team orders, its Vettel. I'm not struggling to accept that Vettel is unpopular, thats blatantly obvious. I'm thoroughly bored of the guy winning too.

I'm pointing out to all the people on the Vettel hate bandwagon throwing abuse at him while hiding behind the shield of "its team orders, any driver should respect them" that their sheild is actually see through. We all know what their true motives are, no matter how much they try and deny it.
 
Skeeter said:
I know the issue isn't the team orders, its Vettel. I'm not struggling to accept that Vettel is unpopular, thats blatantly obvious. I'm thoroughly bored of the guy winning too.

I'm pointing out to all the people on the Vettel hate bandwagon throwing abuse at him while hiding behind the shield of "its team orders, any driver should respect them" that their sheild is actually see through. We all know what their true motives are, no matter how much they try and deny it.
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Any successful driver is like Marmite. Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel all have the same problem and it swings in roundabouts.

I understand why you think it, but I honestly believe any driver would be derided for doing the same thing. The difference is the level of reaction due to the drivers involved :)

edit: therein may be what you are getting at... The level of reaction and hate is disproportionate because of the Vettel hate?
 
Skeeter said:
I know the issue isn't the team orders, its Vettel. I'm not struggling to accept that Vettel is unpopular, thats blatantly obvious. I'm thoroughly bored of the guy winning too.

I'm pointing out to all the people on the Vettel hate bandwagon throwing abuse at him while hiding behind the shield of "its team orders, any driver should respect them" that their sheild is actually see through. We all know what their true motives are, no matter how much they try and deny it.
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I kind of see what you're saying here, but also think the way it was dealt with has a part in it.

The Rosberg/Hamilton made me feel uncomfortable due to the team orders. Oddly, I think the fact that Hamilton just seemed a bit awkward about the whole thing and that, 'it didn't feel right', says a lot in itself, and actually makes me slightly more comfortable with it from his perspective.

Vettel was ruthless, which you can either hate him for, or like him for. I wasn't particularly fond of him for it, because I like Mark, and I feel like he's just screwed over his team mate. Let's be honest, Schumacher has done similar before, but oddly, Schumacher would probably have the balls to claim it at least. I don't buy the rubbish that he heard it, but didn't hear it. He was completely aware of what he was doing when he did it, and was trying to smooth things over in the aftermath...

As for Bottas, no one really knew, and frankly, it's in a less prominent team, and less likely to result in a fight for championships. Plus few people like Maldonado anyway :p

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Yep, thats bang on. Schumacher was unpopular when he was winning, Hamilton got slated during his year of fail, etc.

And people having allegiances to certain drivers and taking a dislike to others is all part of the sport, it would be boring as hell without it.

What I'm pointing out is those people who clearly have a dislike for Vettel (away from this forum, as much as on it), but are stood there claiming that they don't while unleashing into a torrent of abuse at the guy, and not even giving more than a passing acknowledgement to other drivers who have done the same thing.

Like you say, the difference in the level of the reaction is due to who it is.

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edit: therein may be what you are getting at... The level of reaction and hate is disproportionate because of the Vettel hate?
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Yep, this is exactly my point.
 
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Mr Men said:
Well if people want to hate on Seb what is your problem with it Skeeter? afterall you are the guy who posted this -
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You know he will report it to the mods :(

Why are some members posting the same things over and over again? it's done and dusted..move on people :)
 
Any reports yet of Webber drowning an effigy of Vettel whilst catching some surf?

Maybe that's the "medicine" he needs :D
 
Skeeter said:
A lot of teams have an 'overtake' button that allows full revs and things on the engine. Maybe RBR have a single button that both over-revs the engine and deploys KERS at the same time, rather than having to press 2 buttons?
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Yeah that's what I was thinking.
 
Lewis Hamilton says Red Bull only has itself to blame for the 'multi 21' team orders controversy at the Malaysian Grand Prix.

The 2008 world champion believes the team's favouring of Sebastian Vettel, even if the German does not officially have number one status, has led to the simmering tension between the German and his team-mate Mark Webber.

Vettel and Webber's relationship has soured before, notably in 2010 when they crashed in Turkey and three races later when the team took a new front wing design off Webber's car and handed it to Vettel.

Webber then ignored an order to hold station a year later in the British Grand Prix.

"Red Bull has a clear one and two, they always have. And that is why they have always had the problems they have had," Hamilton told British newspaper reporters.

"We don't have a one and two at Mercedes. I have always said, from the moment I was speaking to the team, that I wanted equality [with Nico Rosberg].

"They didn't offer me to be favoured but I just wanted to make the point that I am not a driver that comes and requests that like a lot of other drivers do."

The Briton was the beneficiary of team orders when Mercedes instructed Nico Rosberg to back off in the closing laps of the race.

"You have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror [and say] you won fair and square," Hamilton explained.

"In Malaysia I don't feel like I won my spot fair and square. Although I did drive a decent race, I don't feel spectacular about it."
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From Autosport.
 
That's the difference between Hamilton and Vettel. They are both racers, but Hamilton is human and has morals. Vettel is like the new Schumacher. Extremely talented, but a complete **** at times.
The Vettel hatred is completely justified. He has made people hate him himself. If the same person keeps winning it will eventually get boring, but if it were Hamilton/Button/Insert almost anyother driver here, we wouldn't mind so much, because they aren't complete ****s.
 
I was wondering, how different would the reactions been if the mercs and rb's swapped positions. So if Hamilton was leading the race, and Rosberg was still told to stay behind, and did. I think in this situation, even if Vettel still ignored orders and overtook Mark for 3rd then Hamilton/Mercedes would be on the receiving end of all the anger.
 
I've a feeling Vettels car will go bang in the next race and Horner will say "That's why we didn't want to push until the end and overstress the car".
 
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