Soldato
Yea defo. Hope Chelsea are next
Man city escape ban! Or did they? [Update 6/2/23]
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With the Qatari "consortium" thats probably about to buy Utd, theres not much end in sight to that.
Caporegime
They are only going up to 18 iirc so it is only Rogers, Slippy G, Mourhino and Fergie that have been cheated out of titles but obviously the players bought in that period effect everything.
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Soldato
There's talk about Saudi putting in bid for Utd over the next few days. I really hope Utd will not go the route City did. My way of thinking is, When City was taken over, the new owners wanted a title winning team in as little time as possible, hence, all this dodgy money stuff. Utd on the other hand have a possible title winning team, a massive fan base, world wide market and massive income. There is no reason for any State owners (if we end up with one) to do dodgy stuff like City did.
It's also unfair to assume they would do the same, I mean yes Newcastle have spent but no where near as much as City did initially
Caporegime
I don't think any will do dodgy stuff after what happens to City. Chelsea have been far more dodgy than when the Saudis took over Newcastle.
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Caporegime
I don't want oil money in the club and I don't want a Boely situation either. It would be nice if there wasn't one club that was blowing everyone out of the water with their spending.
Caporegime
If FFP was done correctly then you wouldn't have that situation. Teams like Brighton and Leicester who are ran well would be able to build over the years.
Benfica have made over 1 billion in transfers over the past decade for example. Not sure what they done with it mind!
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Give over. FFP wasn't just introduced to stop your City's of this world but to stop any clubs from disrupting the status quo. If clubs can only spend what they can afford and these clubs have tiny revenues then how can they compete?
As for Benfica, read the football leaks book. Lots of Portuguese and South American clubs have very questionable ownership structures and illegal 3rd party ownership deals in place.
Leicester may be well run now but they have acted disgracefully in the past
Soldato
The whole football world needs a good restructure and general overhaul in my opinion. No idea on how though. Maybe I will design a plan.
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If you have Billionaire’s and oil state’s continuously pumping huge amounts of money into select clubs, the situation will be even worse for the smaller teams.
It’s gone too far to go back now. One of the reasons I’m not as invested in football as I used to be is the silly amounts of money sloshing around. Chelsea was the beginning of the end for me. I still keeps tabs on it and I’ll always be a United supporter but I’m nowhere near as emotionally invested as I used to be. The soul of football has been sold.
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I think we've already had this discussion about the fact that there has always been somebody richer, spending more than everybody else long before the middle east got involved.
Adam's point about FFP helping smaller, sensibly run clubs compete was simply untrue. Financial controls were first discussed by UEFA to prevent clubs getting into debt however the biggest clubs didn't want that. They wanted controls that allowed them to stay at the top and that is how FFP was born. If you can only spend what you generate then the established clubs can always spend more than the smaller clubs, making it nigh on impossible for these clubs to grow.
Adam's choice of Leicester and Brighton as examples was also a bit odd. Both Leicester and Brighton have lost huge amounts of money in recent years and been benefactors of owner investment.
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I’m not disputing what you’re saying but like I said without FFP it would be even worse for smaller clubs. Wages and transfer fees would be pushed even further and debt even larger.
The sport as a whole needs proper regulation. Wage caps, transfer caps ect.
The sport as a whole needs proper regulation. Wage caps, transfer caps ect.
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Caporegime
You can grow quickly with outside investment, FFP hasn't stopped that. City aren't being brought up on FFP charges because they £500m instead of £50m. You can still invest heavily in a team as an owner.
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Easier to get better more lucrative sponsorship deals if the companies think you on an upwards trajectory and have the backing of a bottomless pit of money.
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Caporegime
The absolute state of this City fans argument 
Caporegime
Oh as a small club with no external investment you can't hope to compete with the biggest clubs in the league or the rich ones. Thats been the case for a long time. The point was that City could have done what they did and stuck to FFP. It would just have taken them a little longer to achieve their goals.
The fact football is a global market and the PL is fantastically rich means that smaller teams can build good teams. Problem is that its all relative so all the other teams in the league are the same. The overall quality of the league is higher than ever but that doesn't matter unless you are playing in Europe.
What? It hasn't because clubs have found ways to get around it but the purpose of FFP was to prevent it. You can, in theory, only lose an average of £30m odd per season under the PL's rules and just £30m odd over a 3 year cycle with UEFA's rules. A club the size of Brighton could never invest heavily. Even at there current levels they've become loss making and as things stand would probably break UEFA's FFP rules if they qualified for Europe.
With FFP effectively enforced it makes it nigh on impossible for any club outside the elite to challenge for the major honours. Without FFP it's still close to impossible but at least they have the chance that a rich owner comes along and puts £m's into their club and they can compete.
I support a club that is a huge benefactor of FFP however I can see that it's wrong. As I said and it's not a secret, UEFA first wanted controls on debt but the big clubs blocked it. They don't care about debt, they care about protecting themselves from the City's of this world. I'm not saying do nothing is right however FFP was designed for one thing and that was to make it as cheap as possible for the biggest clubs to remain the biggest clubs.
There is no easy way to fix this. If you want fair then you've got to have spending limits that all 20 PL clubs can achieve and you probably have to have these limits European wide. Reaching an agreement there will be impossible however.