Manager Merry Go Round 2014
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Is it wrong to be worried that his "my way or the highway" attitude will just rub a lot of the "senior" players up the wrong way?
I mean, think AVB at Chelsea.
I'm more concerned than I would have been with someone a little less combative.
I mean, think AVB at Chelsea.
I'm more concerned than I would have been with someone a little less combative.
Looking at interviews with players who have played for him, they all think he's brilliant. He knows what he's doing.
He's only had issues when you've got an interfering board of directors, or similar, like Bayern have (and who Pep now has issues with).
AVB was just... rubbish.
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No, when a manager is actually good players don't care. Mourinho is "my way or the high way", he got rid of Mata and the team didn't fundamentally revolt. Mourinho played him and the team was often better without him then he sold him in January when he wanted to leave.
By all accounts AVB had the players went through one by one telling them what their biggest flaw was, got to Anelka and Alex(who both performed consistently well for Chelsea) and basically laid in to them and treated them like crap and told them they were done at Chelsea. That doesn't command any respect and shouldn't in any way at all. He also apparently refused to allow them to be in the gym at the same time as first team players and refused to allow them access to the club's official xmas party I believe.
There is excluding a player because you believe they aren't good enough and doing it in a respectful way and there is just trying to prove you're a big man by arbitrarily picking a couple players, "destroying them" to show everyone how much power you have and being utterly insane and power hungry by trying to cut them off from everyone.
He did the same thing to Adebayor, easily Spurs best striker by a mile, and got precisely the same result at Spurs.
Yet other managers who are tough and exclude players, keep the respect of the dressing room. Sherwood didn't cut Sandro off completely he just didn't pick him for a team one weekend, Sandro acted out on twitter and Spurs won, Sherwood has since put him in the team, there hasn't been any sign he lost the squad.
It's the same in the real world, many/most people have had multiple managers. The ones who arbitrarily throw around their power gain no respect, the ones who are genuinely good at their job but very tough on those who do a poor job are often respected, the complete push overs who are nice but poor at their job generally aren't respected either despite you not hating them you also don't respect people doing a poor job.
People can respect a tough manager who they can see are doing a good job, if they are getting results, improving the team but choosing to leave you out because you aren't performing, you can understand not being picked. It can encourage a player to improve in training. Hazard was supposedly left out by Mourinho early in the year and it made him train harder and get back in the team. When someone leaves people out just because he doesn't like them, when they are performing well, to prove a point. It doesn't encourage those players to train harder, or the rest of the squad. If you see another player excluded who is better than you just because the manager turns on them will make them think how hard they train doesn't matter either, the manager will either turn on your or not. If it's not based on your performance, why bother training harder, if you don't respect the manager why work hard for him at all.
Tough managers who ask a lot but treat people pretty fairly are usually very well respected, as LVG appears to be. Almost any manager will be completely hated by a couple players, but crap managers are usually hated by most of their squads. That most of his ex players have good things to say and only a couple hate him is a pretty good sign.
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You mean like D.Moyes? Would you like him brought back?
Maybe he could take us down to 13th place next season
LvG is a big name in management and if any "senior" player, doesn't like the new system, then they will get sold.
Its amazing how senior players tow the line when the manager is a big name who has won everything. Unfortunately for Moyes, he hadnt won anything in a premier competition, so he was always viewed as the village idiot.
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http://www1.skysports.com/watch/vid...chester-united/9301456/van-gaal-coy-on-united
Interview. Brilliant.
Lol he is a bit of a character. I hope he gives the players a good kick up the backside, and hopefully sorts out our midfield problem as well.
You do realise what you said about him is pretty much what most of the footballing world think of JM, right? He's a complete ****.
Of course but you only have to read the last page or so to realise that as long as that **** is on your side he can say what he wants.
Is this even news?
I mean, I actually quite like West Brom (there is a properly lovely bloke and his wife I know who are fans and I always keep an eye out for West Bromwich Albion's results because of this) and sacking Steve Clarke seemed really misjudged at the time and now even more so, the appointment of Pepe Mel (I don't think he's a terrible manager) but it was bizarre.
I felt like Brighton stumbled in to the play-offs really, nothing against Garcia per say, but failing in such a spectacular fashion against Derby was always going to make it very tough for him.
No arguments here. Some of the football we have played this season has been absolutely awful. He is a very negative manager. He has resigned though, he wasn't sacked.
What annoys me is that he says that he spoke to the club a few weeks ago...so before the play-offs. That's great motivation for you! Same happened last year. There are obviously problems behind the scenes with budgets and stuff. We are investing a hell of a lot on infrastructure(amazing new training facilities coming soon, not to mention the stadium) but very little on the playing side.
Shame that Malky is gonna join Norwich, would have liked him. Sherwood seems to be the front-runner with the bookies, just as he was last year right up until garcia was appointed.
I would not want Sherwood near my club. Bringing in a manager whom will win promotion (out of a very difficult league) and look to build and maintain that in to the Premiership is a very difficult appointment to get right. Many clubs suffer from this getting promoted, have a manager whom is more than capable in the Championship but can not do it in the Premiership, of course playing talent plays a role too.
I haven't thought much of Brighton this season, nothing against them, but when I watch teams come to Hillsborough there tends to be one or two stand out sides, some good ones and the rest are similar, then there are the terrible sides.
Brighton were nothing special at Hillsborough, looked very flat, wildly mediocre.
Also, when I meant that it was going to be tough for him I did not mean anything about the club sacking him, I just meant that with the style of play Brighton were playing under him (There are much better footballing sides in the Championship) and with failing so spectacularly he was always going to fall on his sword so to speak, in either leaving or making next season very difficult for himself.
Brighton seem (as you said) to be doing a lot off the pitch, but sadly have not replaced Poyet and their rapid rise off the pitch in terms of improvements to the club's over all package has not been reflected on the pitch to the same degree.
I haven't thought much of Brighton this season, nothing against them, but when I watch teams come to Hillsborough there tends to be one or two stand out sides, some good ones and the rest are similar, then there are the terrible sides.
Brighton were nothing special at Hillsborough, looked very flat, wildly mediocre.
Also, when I meant that it was going to be tough for him I did not mean anything about the club sacking him, I just meant that with the style of play Brighton were playing under him (There are much better footballing sides in the Championship) and with failing so spectacularly he was always going to fall on his sword so to speak, in either leaving or making next season very difficult for himself.
Brighton seem (as you said) to be doing a lot off the pitch, but sadly have not replaced Poyet and their rapid rise off the pitch in terms of improvements to the club's over all package has not been reflected on the pitch to the same degree.
I wouldn't want Sherwood either. Not that I have anything against him as some seem to have, but because he would be another Poyet just looking for the next big job, and would be unlikely to stick around. I honestly just want someone tried and tested in the Championship.
The thing about this season is that there are Brighton fans that are saying what a great achievement it was to get sixth in his first season, after a tough one last year with the whole Poyet debacle. Whilst that is true, that is missing the point...with Poyet last season, we were the best footballing team in the league(possibly behind Watford), and this season in comparison has been a massive step backwards in terms of the football we play. I have seen more than one performance where we had no shots on target this season, and some of the results and negative tactics against the smaller teams have been embarrassing.
Having said all that though, it is hard to be too down about it...it's not so long ago I was watching league 2/3 football at a running track...and just a little bit further back we didn't even have a ground!
One of our better games then!
Oh I totally agree, it's easy to lose track when a club gains a rapid rise. Fans seem to lose perspective (even more so) and fail to realise how good they actually have it. New stadium, new facilities off the pitch, playing in the championship is a fantastic rise for Brighton, it's all relative.
I think Sherwood is a clown to be honest, tactically poor and the less said about him in interviews and on the touchline the better. I agree that he would see Brighton as a stepping stone (I don't think there would be many clubs he wouldn't see as a stepping stone to be honest, although that's true of any ambitious manager to an extent) and I think Brighton could potentially do better than him.
Haha wildly mediocre was the best way to describe it, average and flat going forward (besides Lingard), physical and flat in midfield and similar in defence, however I thought Brighton looked well organised
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I agree to an extent about Brighton playing good football previously. Watford were the stand out side for me last season and the decline has been interesting this season, still a good side mind you. This year Brighton have just faded in to mediocrity which is far from what their ambitious redevelopment needs. It can be a difficult for clubs failing in the play offs in the next season.
I think Sherwood is a clown to be honest, tactically poor and the less said about him in interviews and on the touchline the better. I agree that he would see Brighton as a stepping stone (I don't think there would be many clubs he wouldn't see as a stepping stone to be honest, although that's true of any ambitious manager to an extent) and I think Brighton could potentially do better than him.
Haha wildly mediocre was the best way to describe it, average and flat going forward (besides Lingard), physical and flat in midfield and similar in defence, however I thought Brighton looked well organised
.I agree to an extent about Brighton playing good football previously. Watford were the stand out side for me last season and the decline has been interesting this season, still a good side mind you. This year Brighton have just faded in to mediocrity which is far from what their ambitious redevelopment needs. It can be a difficult for clubs failing in the play offs in the next season.