Manager Merry Go Round 2014
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He played over half a season and if you look at the games it's not like Spurs season was front loaded with tough games and easy second half season games.
His record vs AVB against top half opposition was night and day, sure top 4 wasn't great still but it really shouldn't have been.
AVB drew to Utd at home, Sherwood beat them away, Sherwood lost by a smaller margin away at liverpool than AVB at home. Man city blew them both away, West ham blew them both away
However 3-0 at home for AVB is a much worse result than 2-0 away for AVB.Sherwood had a very very good win percentage, but the press and fans got themselves into unrealistic expectations. Sherwood had an epic start which was always going to get worse. Outside of the Norwich and to a lesser degree West Ham result, the rest of the losses would be expected. City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
he'd have been treated differently now by fans and media if his first 4 games in charge were Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool/City, everyone gave him a free pass for taking over at a tough time, then he got the same results but after those games out of the way his win rate would have improved every week and he'd end the season with everyone thinking he did great. People are short term, when someone wins say 6 in 7, then wins 4 in 10 afterwards, people think he's gotten hugely worse, who they played rarely matters.
He's been ridiculed by the media for, frankly don't know what. Seeming too nice and so they don't take him seriously?
he may/may not do well given another shot somewhere, when it comes to building his own team, improving a team year on year, introducing new tactics or improving a player, buying/selling players. But in the situation he took over, which doesn't give a manager a huge chance to do any of that, he got good results and a very respectable record while there. AVB 1.68 points per game or so, Sherwood just over 1.9. That is a significant improvement, I think people were expecting more. AVB didn't have a terrible record, he wasn't fired for terrible results(though his top half table results were in fact terrible). he was fired because they fluked a lot of tight games playing some woeful football in which the whole team looked like they were playing worse from one game to the next. it was firing a manager before the results turned rather than after and a smart decision.
But it also means there wasn't a massive improvement in results/points, but there WAS a massive improvement in quality of the football, team spirit, goal scoring.
I don't think there's any need t worry about LvG and United.
He'll bring Van Der Sar as a GK coach hopefully
That's probably quite likely, Telegraph says there's no future for Phil Neville or Chris Woods.
A radical overhaul is coming... hope we can get a fair few of our transfer targets too.
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Reckon it's more likely to be Frans Hoek, who has been GK coach for every LVG team except AZ.
Sorry buddy. We already have a deal in place for Van Gaal.
However, Moyes is available and he would be perfect for Spurs
I think the big improvements for Man Utd will come once the "system" is introduced and is learned by the players. I don't believe that buying players will be an immediate cure.
And I dont buy into Moyes' theory that our players turned to cheese in 2 months and that they all need to be sold. Not for 1 second.
Last year when Mata was bought, many fans thought that we would suddenly win every game - but this was never going to happen. A system/tactic needs to be introduced so that all the players know exactly what they are expected to do. And that's what we are missing at present.
I am hoping to see new players from the youth ranks make an impact next season as these players are the most likely to be able to taught the high possession/technical playing style. It worked at Ajax and at Barca.
Van Gaal's system does require the wingers to have speed. Remember Marc Overmars? So he may look to buy 2 very fast wingers (which coincidentally was Moyes' plan, too).
Personally, I'd prefer some youth players be trained and promoted to the 1st team, rather than buying our way out of this mess. And I also think that RvP + Rooney + Mata, when used correctly, could be a Champions League winning combination. There are not many teams out there right now, with that sort of attacking fire power.
He played over half a season and if you look at the games it's not like Spurs season was front loaded with tough games and easy second half season games.
His record vs AVB against top half opposition was night and day, sure top 4 wasn't great still but it really shouldn't have been.
AVB drew to Utd at home, Sherwood beat them away, Sherwood lost by a smaller margin away at liverpool than AVB at home. Man city blew them both away, West ham blew them both away
Sherwood had a very very good win percentage, but the press and fans got themselves into unrealistic expectations. Sherwood had an epic start which was always going to get worse. Outside of the Norwich and to a lesser degree West Ham result, the rest of the losses would be expected. City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
he'd have been treated differently now by fans and media if his first 4 games in charge were Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool/City, everyone gave him a free pass for taking over at a tough time, then he got the same results but after those games out of the way his win rate would have improved every week and he'd end the season with everyone thinking he did great. People are short term, when someone wins say 6 in 7, then wins 4 in 10 afterwards, people think he's gotten hugely worse, who they played rarely matters.
He's been ridiculed by the media for, frankly don't know what. Seeming too nice and so they don't take him seriously?
he may/may not do well given another shot somewhere, when it comes to building his own team, improving a team year on year, introducing new tactics or improving a player, buying/selling players. But in the situation he took over, which doesn't give a manager a huge chance to do any of that, he got good results and a very respectable record while there. AVB 1.68 points per game or so, Sherwood just over 1.9. That is a significant improvement, I think people were expecting more. AVB didn't have a terrible record, he wasn't fired for terrible results(though his top half table results were in fact terrible). he was fired because they fluked a lot of tight games playing some woeful football in which the whole team looked like they were playing worse from one game to the next. it was firing a manager before the results turned rather than after and a smart decision.
But it also means there wasn't a massive improvement in results/points, but there WAS a massive improvement in quality of the football, team spirit, goal scoring.
AVB's record against top half teams was skewed because he only played Everton (drew), man utd (drew), city and Liverpool (spanked) as recognised top half teams before being fired. He won all the games he was expected to win bar west ham.
Sherwood had mildly better results and a better points per game total. He did exceptionally well at starting to purge the stultifying timid play that exemplified the latter half of AVB's reign.
Like AVB, he has been fired for not getting the squad to perform to its 'true' potential. Only Eriksen has performed as expected this year. The rest of the squad has underperformed.
I don't think any spurs fans have expectations of results or position. We do expect a manager to be good at exploiting the potential the squad has. Once that potential has been tapped, the results will come naturally.
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AVB played 7 teams in the top half and won... none of them. The highest team he beat(by the end of the season) was Palace...... the actual best team they beat was probably Swansea or Hull, they played Palace first game in the season when they were diabolical.
Sherwood played 11 games against the top half teams, he lost 4(against the top four) and won 7. Yeah those 4 extra games against top half teams made all the difference, it enabled him to win 7 more games than AVB.
AVB effectively beat the teams vying for relegation(either throughout the season or at the time they played them, Palace/Sunderland). Sherwood got far far better results.
As for getting the best out of players, Lamela was injured, the better defenders were largely injured. Soldado didn't score much but his interplay DID improve with Sherwood, Eriksen improved significantly under Sherwood as did several other players.
He took over a team he neither picked nor put together, he wasn't responsible for injuries or the lack of quality in the defence, things AVB was responsible for with three transfer windows and multiple purchases. He had no preseason, no massive gaps between games to try and change things significantly and certainly no chance to make significant squad changes, even without those things he made massive changes, improved the team significantly and put Spurs in a far far better position going in to next season.
You're picking stats to suit your argument. Of the 7 top half teams you refer to, 4 are Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Chelsea. of those 4, chelsea and liverpool were home games. Everton and Man Utd are two more and the last one is Newcastle (which I forgot about).
Of all of those matches only Newcastle and West Ham were matches we would go into expecting to win. Sherwood's top half wins were not against teams we are vying for 4th against. They were against teams we expect to beat on any given season (man utd excepted; who AVB also beat the season before to break a 20 yr hoodoo)
I was glad we got rid of AVB as I didn't like his football. I have also warmed to Tim (I would have liked him to stay and learn under the new manager) but the football we played under both was not getting us anywhere. AVB was defensive, Tim was pot luck.
Our defence conceded more goals from unforced errors by defenders than any other team in Europe this season. Our goal scoring was dire and our goal difference shows how bad we really were as a team.
If we take Tim's point per game as 1.9, that still only gets us 72 points across the season (and only 3 points better off than we are now), which wouldn't have been good enough for 4th.
Then you look at what he cost Spurs; he ****ed off half the squad by publicly criticising their commitment and ability; he played everyone out of position (and confused them with a constantly changing system); and he told everyone that the club was too ambitious.
Jol got fired for not being ambitious enough, redknapp was guilty of gobbing off and being tactically inept (so was fired), AVB couldn't get the best out of the squad we have (so was fired). Sherwood did all of the above at once! He is like the ghost of all managers past who haunts levy
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What never happened was "many" fans thinking they would win every game. I never heard, saw or read anyone say anything more positive than it was a step in the right direction. Care to point me in the direction of all these many fans?
Whilst I can see the pros to maintaining a degree of continuity, you would hope Giggs is going to be very much a support figure, to help with smoother man management of players he knows etc rather than a deputy manager who will be holding things back trying to steadfastly cling to the old ways whilst Van Gaal is pulling in the other direction trying to revolutionise the squad and ethos.
Yup looks like it's him, shame I wanted big Ed back :/
Giggs as assistant and Van Gaal will also bring his own video analyst.