No idea sorry. Maybe try reset video options in game and then restart and reapply settings?
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Mantle Feedback/Bugs
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No idea sorry. Maybe try reset video options in game and then restart and reapply settings?
BF4 Mantle Multi Player bench
3770K @ 290X - Big gains
3770K @ 290X - Big gains
Not speculating. Its called reading the release notes and known issues. You should definitely try it mate. When 7970/7950's were being sold, pretty sure Mantle was not marked as a feature so its definitely free for you. You should be able to use DX11 fine, you'll just have to wait a week or so before you get similar optimisations to what us 290 owners get.
You're dreaming if you think a cpu overclock will narrow the difference between mantle and dx11 mate. I added a 18% overclock to single player in DX and it added 3.5% more fps. You'd expect more in multiplayer for sure, but it won't be near 37% i can promise you that. These are single card fps remember. Any overclock you add to DX, will also effect Mantle. Maybe not as much, but it will increase mantle fps.
I'm half tempted to get BF4 just so I can benchlol
It would be rude not to Doco. Just remember 7xxx series cards are not fully optimised yet.
Works fine for DX, does not work with Mantle.
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I just gave it a go. BF4 stops responding if FRAPS is open
Shut down afterburner/precision x overlay first. I believe fraps interferes. If it still doesn't work might be a Nvidia issue as it works ok for AMD under DX only. Mantle it crashes the game.
Cheers, that seems to have solved that problem. Now I get "Game disconnected: client closed down connection."
I remember now why I stopped playing this game
Could well be the queueing bug.
Try to join a server that has no one in the que and had slots free.
Your data is almost worthless though because of the inconsistencies of multiplayer benchmarking. Unless the same person is running the bench following the same practices, its too inconsistent.
Really? I don't even remember Mantle being listed as a feature on ocuk 7xxx listings. 290 listings? Sure. If you can show me im wrong then ill stand corrected.
I'm delighted with an Alpha version of Mantle and a Beta version of the drivers. Its far from perfect and has a long way to come but its a nice taster of what's to come. Of course i would prefer it if it was the final version of mantle and the drivers were 100% perfect though.
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I can tell you that over a 15 minute bench any such discrepancies will be averaged out. As long as pgi was playing a representative 15 min snip of gameplay then I completely disagree that it's worthless.
Also think that's a bit rude as well
It's all well and good comparing deltas but looking at the actual FPS figures they don't look amazing compared to what I'm getting on my 780.
Its not about being rude, its just common sense. I could run a bench of Shanghai though and likely score higher than both of you with my gpu at stock clocks, but as ive no idea what their benching procedure was, its also worthless. Multiplayer is inconsistent so either result is worthless as we don't know the procedure or playstyle of the people who did the bench. They might have spent the round in a tank. Pgi or yourself could have spent the round on foot. That alone will account for a massive difference in fps.
Re-read what i said. Depends how you play the benchmark the scene/play the game.
Its not about being rude as i said to Rusty. Its simply a case of not comparing like for like testing runs. We all know that results can vary greatly in multiplayer depending on a lot of different factors. This is pretty basic stuff and was not meaning to be rude to pgi at all. I just disagreed with his assumption that their testing must be off because he scored similar fps when we have no idea how they tested that benchmark. If one of you knows exactly what they did then i stand corrected and apologise. I think we all know thats not the case though.
Representative.
That's not how it works on multi player when you have two different people on two different machines benchmarking in different ways Rusty. Single player sure, multi player is not as consistent. Its pretty well known benchmarking practice. Its why so few of the review sites bench multi player.
Exactly. It depends how the game was played and scene was benched. Going round in a chopper or sniping on a roof = highest fps. Spending more time in a tank, lowest fps. Running round on foot, somewhere in the middle but generally higher fps. That's why its not reliable comparing multi player benches. Its only representative if both players do the same thing. Also depends on how long each bench is run for.
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I apologise to pgi if he took offence. Merely explaining why comparing his benchmark result of multiplayer to another multiplayer benchmark, in which he had no idea what their benchmarking procedure was, was not a very accurate comparison. Sorry pgi if that was rude.
Didn't mean to blindly dismiss, perhaps i could have phrased it better, but i feel you're overreacting somewhat. I was replying to you dismissing their results and was just saying why it might not be an accurate like for like comparison. Their benchmark involves a 30 second run looking across the whole city. Your benchmark was 15 minutes long, hence my point about not an accurate comparison to what they benched. Anyway sorry if this offended you somewhat. You can see their benchmarking run by clicking this link and watching the video at the bottom.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-R...ecials/AMD-Mantle-Test-Battlefield-4-1107754/
See above. That's why its largely pointless. Not meaning to knock pgi at all, but he dismissed their benchmark results so i explained why his comparison was largely useless. Nothing wrong with him benchmarking and i trust his results. People just need to look what i actually said.
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Yep not doubting the results. People are too quick to overlook the reasons for why comparing the two results were largely pointless though. Ah well another day on ocuk.
Your not conforming to his agenda rusty, so that makes your point irrelevant
It's 'you're' but yes I think that you're right. Lub you Matthew
Its not an agenda, i was not the one dismissing the review as skewed. I was merely pointing out why its unreliable to compare the benchmark they ran to the one he ran. Its really simple stuff and im surprised people have trouble grasping that.
Similarly it's also extremely simple stuff to understand what a representative benchmark offers as a comparison point.
If they've benched something which represents MP and pgi has done the same over 15 minutes then while not perfect the fact it's 15 minutes long will smooth out any large variances in bench methods making it comparable.
Its not at all consistent, so not comparable. You cannot compare a 30 second bench looking across the whole map to a 15 minute bench of doing something completely different.
I never said that, you're putting words in my mouth now to suit your argument. Its actually a decent, but brief bench as it represents a worst case scenario for putting maximum strain on both the cpu and gpu by focusing on area that shows the whole city. That's how it works in Battlefield games Rusty. When you can see everything, that's typically when the hardware is under most strain. I can understand why those it. Its why its pointless comparing it to a 15 minute gameplay bench in this instance. This is all pretty obvious stuff so perhaps we should leave it here now and get the thread back on track with Mantle feedback and bug reports. Anything to add on either of those old boy?
Reading and comprehension failure. I never said you said that. Read my post - that's me saying that.
Well I think it is a bit worthless if it's not showing you what differences you're going to see while actually playing. Who sits on a hill looking over the city thinking: "oh I got 60 FPS at this point with DX but now I'm getting 80 FPS"
Whereas a corresponding increase over the course of a map would likely to be more noticeable. You should post the caveats rather than just the graphs if you don't want to be called out on it then there probably wouldn't be any issues.
I think you're misunderstanding what the point of the benchmark was. Its to showcase Mantle and the extra performance it can offer over Dx. Its why posting comparison benches to what they tested is completely pointless. How has this not sunk in yet?
Very best case scenario posted under the guise of a universal increase? Or at least without an attaching caveat? If you had posted that they benched basically a point to show what Mantle was capable of at best I don't think you would have upset pgi by saying his comparison wasn't useful in this instance.
People assume if you're posting a MP graph that it is representative of gameplay. In this case it's not. And don't give me the whole "I posted the link" thing as you know as well as I do that nobody clicks and reads the link when the graphs are posted.
This is a Mantle thread though Rusty so there is no need to post a caveat. This is for feedback about mantle and bug reports. Pgi said the bench was not useful or words to that effect then posted his own comparing it. I merely explained why his comparison was largely useless when trying to compare it to this other bench as unless he copied what they were doing, it was pointless. Perhaps this is for the BF4 benchmark thread and not the Mantle thread. I was just sticking to the topic at hand by posting a benchmark showcasing the difference between Mantle and DX on a resource heavy part of the map.
Then i believe the phrase is 'Reading and Comprehension' fail on your part and anyone else who saw it like that. It was quite clearly showcasing the difference between Mantle and DirectX. No other gpu's were involved aside from a 290X. It was posted in the Mantle thread. No mention was made about anything else prior to this. Its not a gameplay bench. People should actually try to read and understand what the article was about.
We have other threads for what you would like to see including a BF4 benchmark thread and a Mantle benchmark thread. This is not the place for it though Rusty. Take it to those threads and please stop with the derailing of this one.
I know but you know Rusty he can't let it go. This is a Mantle feedback thread after all. Who would've thought posting a Mantle benchmark showcasing the difference vs DX would've lead us here.