March Budget 2016

Tummy said:
Ha. Sure the conglomerates are shaking in their boots at the thought of the friends they have in government closing the loop holes that they use.



'cause I would wager that closing tax loop holes, creates more money than on saving on pensions.
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I can say for sure if I pay someone x% less every week I will save x%.

You can only guess at what closing supposed loophole y will bring you in revenue.

ultralaser said:
I don't understand your point. That pensioner has most likely worked for 30 years +. Why begrudge their payments?
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I'm not saying pay them nothing. Not even saying pay them less than we do right now.

What I will begrudge is increasing spending on pensions by over 15% in 5 years by cutting things like education and welfare by 15% each. Pension spending will likely increase another 15% in the next 5 years and it has to be paid for somehow.
 
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AstraZeneca and Ian Brimicombe. Y'know, off the top of my head :).

Y'know, when Osborne allowed Brimicombe (and others) on to an advisory committee to er, advise how cooperation tax 'should work' so that then AstraZeneca could continue paying no cooperation.

Anyway, I have little chance of changing any opinions on here, so I'll just stick to being a leftie :).
 
muon said:
What I will begrudge is increasing spending on pensions by over 15% in 5 years by cutting things like education and welfare by 15% each. Pension spending will likely increase another 15% in the next 5 years and it has to be paid for somehow.
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I see your point muon, and it's well made. When you retire, if someone cut the benefits you are entitled to, by 15% a year, how would you feel?
 
ultralaser said:
I see your point muon, and it's well made. When you retire, if someone cut the benefits you are entitled to, by 15% a year, how would you feel?
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The question you should be asking is how I would feel if I didn't get inflation busting increases every year which I was never promised when I was working. I would be indifferent. I might even be happy I'd been spared from the cuts.

However, if someone gets elected and they gave me a large real terms increase in my pension over 5 years, then selfishly I'd be over the moon.

However, I wouldn't be over the moon because I would see how that large real terms increase is being paid for, at the expense of the poor, young and disabled.
 
I don't understand again. If you are poor or young there is access to the tools to improve (education, enterprise funding). On disabled folks I agree with you. But if your young or poor you have the tools, and that's all the government can provide.

EDIT I honestly don't understand that if someone gives you a route out of (relative) poverty what more do we expect?
 
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Wait until you read the letter from David Cameron :p

It's as if IDS and David, knew about the cuts and worked together on it... Something isn't right about this and IDS is lying to cover his own ass. That man has never cared about people, people have killed themselves because of his department
 
"andy" said:
but the government behind him didnt ?
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True

But the government has never said such things as " 75% of people who had their benefits suspended thanked me, it made their life much better and played a more active roll in getting work "

Ignoring the fact that these people ended up starving or at food banks, or people who have been suspended while being in hospital or with dying loved ones
 
David Cameron has said he is "puzzled and disappointed" by the Work and Pensions Secretary's decision to quit the Cabinet.

In his letter responding to Iain Duncan Smith, the Prime Minister wrote: "I regret that you have chosen to step down from the Government at this moment.

"Together we designed the Personal Independence Payment to support the most vulnerable and to give disabled people more independence.

"We all agreed that the increased resources being spent on disabled people should be properly managed and focused on those who need it most.

"That is why we collectively agreed - you, No 10 and the Treasury - proposals which you and your department then announced a week ago. Today we agreed not to proceed with the policies in their current form and instead to work together to get these policies right over the coming months.

"In the light of this, I am puzzled and disappointed that you have chosen to resign."
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Waaaa Waaa Waaaa :rolleyes:
 
Neil79 said:
David Cameron has said he is "puzzled and disappointed" by the Work and Pensions Secretary's decision to quit the Cabinet.



Waaaa Waaa Waaaa :rolleyes:
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It seems very strange for IDS to quit over this, after all the similar flack he's taken for previous policies. Tbh, I also though the government puting a relatiey expendable cabinet minister on question time last Thursday to defend the budget was also quite odd.

Maybe the government know they've got this one wrong. I don't think IDS would quit unless he thought there was a good chance of getting his job back under a new PM.
 
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why has he really resigned though ? he doesn't give a toss about the disabled I'm reading universal credit cost has gone from 3 billion to a massive 15 billion pounds. or is it brexit ?
 
Neither Osborne nor Cameron are conservatives, both are left of centre on many key issues. It was inevitable there would be division in the Tory ranks.

We haven't even had austerity in the UK, it's no wonder actual Conservatives are getting frustrated.
 
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Wht has the IDS discussion been shoehorned into a thread about the budget?. I think a discussion of toy ideology and the effect on the poor and disabled (and Iain Duncan Smith's execution of that, and firing) deserve a thread no?...
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
I think it's all a step too far for IDS, he sat and took the flak last time and it seems this time he's not willing to do it any more.
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Aye sources are saying he's fed up with being told what to cut by Osbourne and then taking the flak for it apparently and then once the decision was made he was raging that the party immediately started back tracking.
 
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