March Budget 2016

He would have been sacked eventually anyway due to the expensive mess that is Universal Credit, they can't cover it up forever. It's sad though that he has gone out looking like a champion of protecting the disabled when actually he has spent the best part of 6yrs making their lives hell.
 
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I don't understand your point. That pensioner has most likely worked for 30 years +. Why begrudge their payments?

Sorry to bring this point back up ultralaser after it died down but I wanted to share some interesting charts from the grauniad the other week, with the stupidly titled:

Who's winning? Find out how your income compares with every other generation

Half way down the page are charts for average earnings for age groups in various countries. Notice that average earnings for 60+ year olds have been growing most rapidly here (apart from maybe France) and earnings for most other groups have dropped, especially dramatically for under 30s.

I agree with your sentiment that we shouldn't cut pensions willy-nilly, but if the elderly are majorly cashing in from a combination of generous pension rises and extreme property value growth, then maybe it's justified.

Your suggestion that they've earned it so they should get whatever rises are coming to them presumes that they somehow earned it more than any pensioners in the past, which I don't see any logic for.
 
Sorry to bring this point back up ultralaser after it died down but I wanted to share some interesting charts from the grauniad the other week, with the stupidly titled:

Who's winning? Find out how your income compares with every other generation

Half way down the page are charts for average earnings for age groups in various countries. Notice that average earnings for 60+ year olds have been growing most rapidly here (apart from maybe France) and earnings for most other groups have dropped, especially dramatically for under 30s.

I agree with your sentiment that we shouldn't cut pensions willy-nilly, but if the elderly are majorly cashing in from a combination of generous pension rises and extreme property value growth, then maybe it's justified.

Your suggestion that they've earned it so they should get whatever rises are coming to them presumes that they somehow earned it more than any pensioners in the past, which I don't see any logic for.

It's not, and shouldn't be a race to the bottom though. The problem isn't that pensions have been protected, it's that earnings for everyone else have dropped.
 
Ermm no, he is still an MP and paid as such.

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Nothing mentioned about the Government proposing to sell the remaining shares in RBS at a loss of almost £22 billion – recouping barely half the £45.5bn poured in to save the bank from collapsing in 2008.
 
Nothing mentioned about the Government proposing to sell the remaining shares in RBS at a loss of almost £22 billion – recouping barely half the £45.5bn poured in to save the bank from collapsing in 2008.

When rbs loses billions each quarter at the moment, wher are those losses actually seen, does extra money pour in? Do the shareprice soak it up?
Been about ten years since any profit.
Who makes up the balance?
 
Corbyn is ahead in the polls for the first time. All the Tories had to do was look competent and the next election would be in the bag. Looks like they've screwed that up. :p

But it's not elections anytime soon.
There's a lot of time for Tories to make a few popular announcemts just before elections and win public back.
As well as labour have to displace SNP to have any chance of winning and even if they do win, Tories will still have a massive majority on any English only laws.

In other words as soon as Corbyn goes and there's a valid opposition the better it is for the uk.
 
But it's not elections anytime soon.

There's two fairly significant votes this year - the EU referendum and the London mayoral election. Zac Goldsmith is trying his hardest to tie Sadiq Khan to Jeremy Corbyn. That could backfire if Khan wins.
 
Nothing mentioned about the Government proposing to sell the remaining shares in RBS at a loss of almost £22 billion – recouping barely half the £45.5bn poured in to save the bank from collapsing in 2008.

You mean George Osborne has failed at something else?

Give the man a bonus.... Oh....
 
There's two fairly significant votes this year - the EU referendum and the London mayoral election. Zac Goldsmith is trying his hardest to tie Sadiq Khan to Jeremy Corbyn. That could backfire if Khan wins.

and how's that affect anything.
Tories are split on EU.
All stats are still showing a clear EU win.

Can't see anyone changing their mind on EU due to this budget.
In reality neither of those are big elections on running the country, who wins next elections.
 
In other words as soon as Corbyn goes and there's a valid opposition the better it is for the uk.

If to be considered a "valid" opposition means a choice between Tories and Red Tories then I'm not particularly interested in this idea of "making Labour electable".
 
If to be considered a "valid" opposition means a choice between Tories and Red Tories then I'm not particularly interested in this idea of "making Labour electable".

What's the point of supporting a party that isn't electable. Not in power can't do much.
Reality is the majority if the public is not massively left leaning. Centre right is what gets elected. Or extreme right if labour is rubbish, which is what happened. As labour was so bad Tories could go further right and still win. This is the issue.

Ideologically I'm actually closest to green party. However not only will they not get in, if they did get in they would destroy the economy,
You have to be a bit more practical, remember and think that what you want isn't always possible.
 
If to be considered a "valid" opposition means a choice between Tories and Red Tories then I'm not particularly interested in this idea of "making Labour electable".

I'm going to have to agree with this. However, it is up to Corbyn to instil confidence that he is a viable candidate.
 
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