Materazzi Insult to Zidane.

NokkonWud said:
You are joking? He did nothing wrong. Thats part and parcel of football. Can't take stick? Don't play football.
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Ive gotta agree with everything Nokkons said upto now.

Regardless of what was said, its part and parcel of the game.
And who's to say Zidane didnt provoke first? As has been pointed out, Zidane isnt exactely an angel himself!

Its funny though. He got sent off. France lost the final. He got back to france, what happens? They're all happy for him and dont blame him at all.
Now if he had been playing for England, he's have gotten so much abuse, his house smashed in, months of ripping in the papers, ect;
Sorta goes to show really...

SCM said:
The disgraceful elbow from Di Rossi was blatant thuggary though and deserved the 4 match ban he got.
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Di Rossi is one the fairest players you can meet.
I doubt you'll find many, if any, players who admits to the ref that the ball came off his hand when it went in the goal, telling the ref to disallow the goal.
Unfortunatelly now, he'll get branded a thug by people like you who judge on one match.
Remind me again why you arnt branding Zidane a thug?...;)

Put simply. Zidane did wrong.
Lets look at it like this. How many people here have played football properly? ie; for a team in a league? I know that Gilly has, and a few others:

Now look back and think how many times an opponent said something bad to put you off. How did you react?
Chances are you laughed it off or said something back, or even nobbled that player in some other way.
I used to get comments covering an entire range of subjects when i used to play. What did i do? Just give it back and if it was particuarly personal, they'd be on the recieving end of one of my tackles. Which ended up with them in pain & me with the ball.
Thats what Zidane, with all his experiance, should have done. Laughed it off, or gotten him back some other way. Not a blantent headbutt.

He still remains one of the best players ever, up there with Pele & Maradonna however.
Judge on the career not on sour moments.
 
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Moonpie2 said:
I'd probably laugh in his face and say "Nice try"

Why should the words of a stranger affect me one bit ?

I'm not saying I agree with the baiting with words, but there's is indeed still a line and Zidane crossed it.
Words don't = assault.
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Maybe you would.
But maybe you wouldn't.

TBH until you've been in that situation it's very hard to say.

At the end of the day everyone has something that will send them nuts, you do too, you just might not know what it is.
 
BoomAM said:
Regardless of what was said, its part and parcel of the game.
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Like I said earlier, racism should not be part of football - or indeed anything. And if Mattarazi said something racist then he should be punished.

Petty insults are part of football, but racism is a whole different matter.
 
Mr_L said:
Like I said earlier, racism should not be part of football - or indeed anything. And if Mattarazi said something racist then he should be punished.

Petty insults are part of football, but racism is a whole different matter.
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And how are you gonna prove either way?
Regardless, it still does not excuse his actions.
 
NiCkNaMe said:
He's human! m8!

I only have to have a bit of passion and adreniline running through me and anyone who says anything insulting about me, my family or my friends and they get what's deserved!

Mattarazi was clever, he cheated the french out of the victory. FOotball isnt about skill anymore, it's about how clever, decieving and downwright unsporting a team is. The italians are the best at this, hence the victory :) It's not wrong at all, as thats how the games played. If it was about skill, possesion, etc... then the french would have won. & thats a completly impartial view, as I really couldn;t care about the winners at this moment in time.
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please think about it, imo the italians deserved to win anyway, with or without the actions that took place

of course its still about skill in football, me and my mates could play england and we could swear at them all we wanted and insult them, they would hammer us

mattarazi was clever yes, winding him up, much like il admit ronaldo was clever with the rooney inncident, but again zidance should not have responded in this way, its a joke that some of you feel the need to protect zidance, for christs sake it was assault at the end of the day
 
BoomAM said:
And how are you gonna prove either way?
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Well as reported in this thread, someone has lip read what Materazzi said. Plus Zidane could always come out and say what was said, but I don't think he will.
BoomAM said:
Regardless, it still does not excuse his actions.
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I've never said it does excuse what Zidane did. I'm just poiting out that if what Materazzi said was racist he should be punished.

Either way, Zidane has retired - with a reasonable reputation - and can't be punished. And I don't think he will come out and explain what Materazzi said to him. So it will all just fade away quietly.
 
ZZ was deliberately baited and fell for it, hook, line and sinker and he has only himself to blame.

Regardless of how out of order the comment was, he's experienced enough to have ignored it and got his revenge on the pitch.

After the match is another matter, he could have taken him apart in the dressing room if he wanted.
 
Big Kev said:
ZZ was deliberately baited and fell for it, hook, line and sinker and he has only himself to blame.

Regardless of how out of order the comment was, he's experienced enough to have ignored it and got his revenge on the pitch.

After the match is another matter, he could have taken him apart in the dressing room if he wanted.
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Absolutely


Mr_L said:
Like I said earlier, racism should not be part of football - or indeed anything. And if Mattarazi said something racist then he should be punished.

Petty insults are part of football, but racism is a whole different matter.
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Sorry, where was the racism??
 
I was watching the final at a large pub with a surprisingly high amount of italian fans. Fair enough they won, good game to them, but they took the celebrating a little too far as I can imagine most probably did, bringing in insults and offensive chants. Everyone else in the pub then totally hammered them. Sweet justice!
 
Admiral Huddy said:
Sorry, where was the racism??
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It's alleged Matterazi called him a terrorist because of his Algerian background. It might not sound as bad as calling a black person certain names. But it can still be seen as racism.
 
Mr_L said:
It's alleged Matterazi called him a terrorist because of his Algerian background. It might not sound as bad as calling a black person certain names. But it can still be seen as racism.
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Calling someone a terrorist isn't exactly racism is it. Ignorant and rude maybe.

Calling someone black or white isn't racism!! That's part of their individual characteristics by which a person is recognized or known.

Racism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another.

The two are often confussed by those that are ignorant and do not know the difference between the two. (that's not direcected at any one - just a general statement) ;)
 
Well I read somewhere that Materazzi - allegedly - called him a "the son of dirty Algerian terrorist". That sounds like racism to me.

I freely admit that he might not have said that. There has been that much crap flying around about that it is hard to separate fact from fiction.

Edit: I don't if you misunderstood me or I put across badly: But my point wasn't that calling someone black or white is racist, it's the names used.
 
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Admiral Huddy said:
Some of you make me laugh about the fact that France didn’t deserve to loose because they played better than Italy.

Hmm no they didn’t because if they had of done, it wouldn’t have been 1:1 at full time and after extra time

I think some of you are forgetting that playing well or playing better than the other side doesn’t always win you matches. There is one key element you are all missing.

Luck..

Crikky some of Arsenal fans out there should know a thing or two about that. :p

The fact whether Italy didn't play as good as France is irrelevant. They won and that was that.
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Eh? Since when has the scoreline got anything to do with whether a team deserves to win. France were the better team overall in the game. People can therefore say they deserved to win. That has nothing to do with the scoreline. No-one is suggesting France should have been given the win at the end of extra time when it was 1-1 but they can still say France deserved it. I really don't understand your point.

Luck is a factor that fly's in the face of whether you deserve to win.

My opinion on Zidane hasn't changed since this incident. He has immense pressure on his shoulders, loads of passion, he was pumped with adrenaline and was probably frustrated. Some Italian **** insulted his mum who is seriously ill and he lost it. He isn't a lesser man because of it and he reacted like a lot of other men would do, probably better than a good few too.

Back in school football 2 of my best friends started puching each other during a game because one wouldn't give the other the ball. Football can get you extremely frustrated sometimes and can make you lash out.

Anyone who thinks people don't get riled by insults , etc, on the pitch hasn't played a lot of football. I've watched ref's get punched for godsake.

He made a mistake, was sent off, the insults aren't an excuse but they do go a way to understanding why he did it. Anyone who thinks it's disgusting needs to get back in the real world, imo.
 
havnt read the whole thread so soz if a repost but materazzi said "You're the son of a Terrorist Whore"



First Marco Matterazzi called the French star the Italian equivalent of 'n*****', and then insulted both his mother and his Muslim background by saying he is the 'son of a terrorist whore. " It had been revealed that earlier in the day that Zidane's Mother is seriously ill
 
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