May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

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"When discussing Muhammad’s war with Mecca, Spencer never cites the Koran’s condemnation of all warfare as an ”awesome evil”, its prohibition of aggression or its insistence that only self-defence justifies armed conflict. He ignores the Koranic emphasis on the primacy of forgiveness and peaceful negotiation: the second the enemy asks for peace, Muslims must lay down their arms and accept any terms offered, however disadvantageous. There is no mention of Muhammad’s non-violent campaign that ended the conflict."
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Wow i don't know what to say to that, it's a real shame there are so many people twisting the true meanings and using it for their corrupt agenda. i hope the bhaavs of the world feel ashamed of themselves for their actions.
 
This is the difficulty us non believers have, how many of the Koran quotes below are mistranslations or whatever

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
 
Amnesia said:
Wow i don't know what to say to that, it's a real shame there are so many people twisting the true meanings and using it for their corrupt agenda. i hope the bhaavs of the world feel ashamed of themselves for their actions.
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Well Amnesia it all boils down to how you interpret the Quran or any other holy book for that matter:)....sure the terrorists/extremists mis-interpret the Quran for their own agendas but then people like Spencer do exactly the same ie interpret it to satisfy their own agenda which is hatred towards muslims and islam itself.

Now in my opinion if he was a bit more objective in his criticism of islam and didnt just point out the bad parts then i wouldnt have such an issue with him but because he chooses not to...i tend to take his criticisms with a large pinch of salt:).
 
izzy eckerslike said:
just make sure they're not already married first :o :p
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Im allowed to have 4 wives;):p...but in heaven the concept of marriage is neither here or there:p

And anyhow no one really knows what heaven is all about lol...i mean theres no living muslim thats been to heaven and back to tell us what its all about up there...all we know about heaven and hell is what is written in the Quran.
 
Spawn said:
These are some of the criticisms that Spencer gets:
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Here are some of the criticisms that the criticizers of Robert Spencer get.

Karen Armstrong, a former Catholic nun and bleeding heart liberal. http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=7158&sec_id=7158 Ouch :rolleyes:

Benazir Bhutto, Bhutto downloaded secretive information on uranium enrichment to give to North Korea in exchange for information on developing ballistic missiles. :mad:

Dinesh D'Souza, see Karen Armstrong. :D

Louay M. Safi, serves with the Islamic Society of North America as executive director, and works with an organization linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. :eek:

Khaleel Mohammed, attracted attention for a 2004 interview in which he stated that Sura 5 verse 21 of the Qur'an, and the medieval exegetes of the Qur'an, say that Israel belongs to the Jews. He translates it thus:

"[Moses said]: O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."

Mohammed here understands "written" to mean this is the final word from God on the subject. In reaction, he was inundated with hate mail. Oh dear. :(
 
I were looking around for more stuff on Muhammed, and came across Dr. Wafa Sultans brilliant speech on him:


When I examined the Koran, the hadiths, and the Islamic books, I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible - impossible! - for any human being, to read the biography of Muhammed and believe it, and yet emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.
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The problem with the muslims is that they do not distinguish between their prophet and their own noses. So when you criticize Muhammed, his actions and his life, it is as if you chopped off their noses
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Its nothing to do with my BS mongering, It is what Wafa Sultan said. I just simply listen and take the words of ex followers of any religion as far more accurate than those of its followers who will usually try to distort the religion into their own personal version of whatever they want to believe, and try to refute the actual truths about the religion as much as they can.

And I doubt that you actually believe the biography of Muhammed, or much of what is written in the Koran or the Hadiths to be honest.
 
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Ex followers' words = truth now?

Great, imagine I'm an ex-ocuker and I tell you ocuk are bad at everything and you should shop elsewhere. I must be right because I'm an ex-ocuker speaking from experience.

Good logic there.
 
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