May i sum up CES 2017?

Griffildur · 8 Jan 2017 at 17:47

spikerules said:
How is it exaggerated? The shows listed are there now to watch? So how on earth is it exaggerated? Are you saying the amount I listed is still too little or you don't believe they are there to watch?

I've already made my points you just need to go back and read again as you keep missing them and I am not going to repeat everything until you finally get it.

spikerules · 8 Jan 2017 at 17:54

I said...

spikerules said:
I have loads of 4k content across Sky Q, Netflix and Amazon. Stop moaning.

To which you replied...

Griffildur said:
No you don't.

Having a few stills of the grand canyon doesn't count as 4k content and don't give me House of Cards and the other one ... You don't spend your life watching one thing just as you don't spend your life playing Doom only ...

Having episode one of something with 2 seasons doesn't count as 4k content either - this is Prime btw.

Prime has a few movies in 4k ... not many but they cost something in the region of £20 each. That doesn't count as 4k content in my eyes.

I had a 4k TV since December 2014, I have Prime, Netflix and Sky as well. The only thing you can get in 4k reliably are football games on both BT Sports and Sky Sports and they are not cheap. That's it.

Then I replied with a crap load of example which are all there to watch and which are listed here too: - https://help.netflix.com/en/node/42384

So how am I missing what you said exactly? You were wrong and are too embarrassed to admit it... it's okay. You can be wrong.

spikerules · 9 Jan 2017 at 10:18

**If you have a problem with moderating you will take that issue to FCD** - Leon

Asa · 9 Jan 2017 at 10:52

Griffildur said:
Where do you get your numbers from? They feel a bit low compared to my experience.

Netflix and Amazon 4k are both about 15-20 Mb/s
UHD Blu-ray is 108Mb/s

Side by side, the difference is massive to me. I've been left really unimpressed by 4k streaming. Sky Q seems to strike a reasonable middle ground between the two (though I've only watched 2 things on it).

spikerules · 9 Jan 2017 at 11:29

Asa said:
Netflix and Amazon 4k are both about 15-20 Mb/s
UHD Blu-ray is 108Mb/s

Side by side, the difference is massive to me. I've been left really unimpressed by 4k streaming. Sky Q seems to strike a reasonable middle ground between the two (though I've only watched 2 things on it).

There is an open source video on Netflix to test out codec quality. I forget the name of it but it's 13 minutes long and is 4k HDR. The quality for a video stream is astounding. On my HDR TV it looks insanely good.

Griffildur · 9 Jan 2017 at 12:40

Asa said:
Netflix and Amazon 4k are both about 15-20 Mb/s
UHD Blu-ray is 108Mb/s

Side by side, the difference is massive to me. I've been left really unimpressed by 4k streaming. Sky Q seems to strike a reasonable middle ground between the two (though I've only watched 2 things on it).

I am not disputing the fact that 4k streaming is quite far from 4k quality, I just didn't expect the numbers to be so low. Disappointingly low actually, 4k is not exactly the new kid on the block.

The Slayer_UK · 9 Jan 2017 at 13:59

Griffildur said:
I am not disputing the fact that 4k streaming is quite far from 4k quality, I just didn't expect the numbers to be so low. Disappointingly low actually, 4k is not exactly the new kid on the block.

I agree too, I have a Samsung 4K TV with Netflix and Prime and the amount of 4K content its abit underwhelming. There is a few shows/Movies but not loads. I certainly wouldn't say that thats all i watch on Netflix is 4K as id run out of 4K content petty soon of the shows that interest me. one thing i do Love though is watching YouTube video of the Slow Mo Guys in 4K some of their videos are amazing

Griffildur · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:26

The Slayer_UK said:
I agree too, I have a Samsung 4K TV with Netflix and Prime and the amount of 4K content its abit underwhelming. There is a few shows/Movies but not loads. I certainly wouldn't say that thats all i watch on Netflix is 4K as id run out of 4K content petty soon of the shows that interest me. one thing i do Love though is watching YouTube video of the Slow Mo Guys in 4K some of their videos are amazing

when 4k is done right it does look absolutely amazing.

Did you get the content pack Samsung distributed for free? The stuff there is downright amazing quality, it puts any streaming service to shame.

I will more than likely buy a proper 4k blu ray and get my own 4k disks, might as well take advantage of the TV properly

spikerules · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:29

The Slayer_UK said:
I agree too, I have a Samsung 4K TV with Netflix and Prime and the amount of 4K content its abit underwhelming. There is a few shows/Movies but not loads. I certainly wouldn't say that thats all i watch on Netflix is 4K as id run out of 4K content petty soon of the shows that interest me. one thing i do Love though is watching YouTube video of the Slow Mo Guys in 4K some of their videos are amazing

Look at my reply. There is a lot of UHD content on both streaming services. Not as much as 1080p, but of course 1080p has been the standard for much longer and also took time to progress. Further still every new show home grown show on Netflix & Amazon (even those that are not) are 4k and even HDR complaint. It's downright idiotic to think 4k would be taken up so quickly. However, now that 4k tv's are the norm 4k is progressing much quicker. Look at the last year! 4k jumped up massively in content.

The Slayer_UK · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:37

Griffildur said:
when 4k is done right it does look absolutely amazing.

Did you get the content pack Samsung distributed for free? The stuff there is downright amazing quality, it puts any streaming service to shame.

I will more than likely buy a proper 4k blu ray and get my own 4k disks, might as well take advantage of the TV properly

No i didnt get that pack, can you still get it via somewhere else? whats in it? yes im considering getting a 4K player as well.

Griffildur · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:42

The Slayer_UK said:
No i didnt get that pack, can you still get it via somewhere else? whats in it? yes im considering getting a 4K player as well.

I would suggest you fire an email to Samsung and ask them directly. I am aware of at least 2 promotions they did, the one I got had 3 full length movies, then they did another with 5 movies. I am sure they will reply if you ask, you never know. Either that or ask the company you bought it from, maybe they can help.

DragonQ · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:44

Griffildur said:
I am not disputing the fact that 4k streaming is quite far from 4k quality, I just didn't expect the numbers to be so low. Disappointingly low actually, 4k is not exactly the new kid on the block.

Streaming quality has always been crap, that isn't exclusive to UHD. YouTube's "HD" is terrible and even TV quality is pretty poor - typically around 5 Mb/s for 1080i/25 on free TV, even for fast moving content. Sky Sports and BT Sport are more like 15 Mb/s which is why they look better.

There's only so much you can do with encoder optimisations, you need sufficient bandwidth. That's why I have no interest in getting a UHD TV until UHD BDs are rippable. My 4 year old AVR supports 4K "pass-through" but I have no idea whether it'll actually work (HDR probably won't work, for example).

The Slayer_UK · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:46

spikerules said:
Look at my reply. There is a lot of UHD content on both streaming services. Not as much as 1080p, but of course 1080p has been the standard for much longer and also took time to progress. Further still every new show home grown show on Netflix & Amazon (even those that are not) are 4k and even HDR complaint. It's downright idiotic to think 4k would be taken up so quickly. However, now that 4k tv's are the norm 4k is progressing much quicker. Look at the last year! 4k jumped up massively in content.

We have different opinions of what constitutes as a lot then, as what I see on the 4K bit of netflix and Prime is not a lot to me at all, here is a list of everything on Netflix thats 4K from December and theres 79 titles on there I think.

http://www.whats-on-netflix.com/lists/4k-titles-on-netflix/

Even they Say

4K on Netflix as is, is extremely limited at the present time

Then factor in stuff that doesnt really interest me so its even less for me really.

Edit

I would also say that 4K TV's are not the norm yet, most people i know are still on 1080p and are only just hearing of 4K and dont want to upgrade untill they need to if their TV fails. I will agree that 4K TV's are cheap enough now that you can replace your 1080 with a 4K but it certainly isn't the norm Yet!

Griffildur · 9 Jan 2017 at 14:51

The Slayer_UK said:
We have different opinions of what constitutes as a lot then, as what I see on the 4K bit of netflix and Prime is not a lot to me at all, here is a list of everything on Netflix thats 4K from December and theres 79 titles on there I think.

http://www.whats-on-netflix.com/lists/4k-titles-on-netflix/

Even they Say

Then factor in stuff that doesnt really interest me so its even less for me really.

Edit

I would also say that 4K TV's are not the norm yet, most people i know are still on 1080p and are only just hearing of 4K and dont want to upgrade untill they need to if their TV fails. I will agree that 4K TV's are cheap enough now that you can replace your 1080 with a 4K but it certainly isn't the norm Yet!

I've given up trying to explain this to that guy, even screenshots with the actual content didn't help. Waste of time so let him tell us how there is so much content and we can't even see it

spikerules · 9 Jan 2017 at 15:01

Griffildur said:
I've given up trying to explain this to that guy, even screenshots with the actual content didn't help. Waste of time so let him tell us how there is so much content and we can't even see it

You sir are ridiculous. You think screenshots of 1/4 of the content is better than a list with over 79 items? Literally the only things I watch on both Netflix and Amazon have been 4k in the last year. Not from searching for the 4k content, but because all the great new shows are 4k. And you swerve from no content to not enough (which originally I did not dispute) to not as much as 1080p. Well no duh.

However, there is a lot of content to be watched at 4k on Netflix. Most of which are the highly reviewed, most critically acclaimed shows not just online but over the whole medium. What do you expect? 4k would be massive overnight? Get out of here.

As for 4k TVs are not he norm? In what regard? As public intake? Yes they are not in many homes.... yet, but they are now MOSTLY the only TVs you can buy and are now extremely competitive in price. The intake over the next year will be massive.

VincentHanna · 9 Jan 2017 at 15:08

From that Netflix list I have watched in 4k:

Better Call Saul
Black Mirror
Bloodline
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Narcos
Orange is the New Black
Stranger Things

That's a fair few hours of 4k content.

I also use my 65" OLED to play PC games at 4k, which look pretty incredible and I've had Sky Q for about 2 weeks and watched a Blur documentary in UHD.

Drizmod · 9 Jan 2017 at 15:19

the future is RGB lights. Mark my words!

Griffildur · 9 Jan 2017 at 15:32

VincentHanna said:
From that Netflix list I have watched in 4k:

Better Call Saul
Black Mirror
Bloodline
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Narcos
Orange is the New Black
Stranger Things

That's a fair few hours of 4k content.

I also use my 65" OLED to play PC games at 4k, which look pretty incredible and I've had Sky Q for about 2 weeks and watched a Blur documentary in UHD.

I've had the TV for over 2 years now, watched everything that interested me multiple times so yeah, not impressed with how much content is out after so long. We'll have 32k TVs long before there is enough 4K content to satisfy me

Drizmod said:
the future is RGB lights. Mark my words!

you sir are 100% correct. everything looks better with RGB lights

spikerules · 9 Jan 2017 at 15:38

Griffildur said:
I've had the TV for over 2 years now, watched everything that interested me multiple times so yeah, not impressed with how much content is out after so long. We'll have 32k TVs long before there is enough 4K content to satisfy me

So you watched The OA multiple times? It's not Netflix's fault you're not interested in good content or that you don't have any real taste... Saying there is no content because you don't want to watch it doesn't mean there isn't any 4k content. What a silly thing to say.

humbug · 9 Jan 2017 at 15:39