Mayweather Vs Pacquiao is ON !!!!!

Smit said:
Apples and Oranges.

Pacman is a high energy hard punching machine who goes looking for a KO.

Mayweather is a slick counter puncher who does not engage in his fights. Safety first fighter.

They way they win their fights will obviously be completely different. The fact that Mayweather actually KO'd Hatton showed how bad Hatton's chin actually was by that point IMO. He hadn't stopped anyone in 2 years prior to that fight.
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The fights speak for themselves. IMO Pacquiao did a better job of winning than Maywaether did.

I have no doubt in my mind Pacquiao is the better fighter. He was more convincing in the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and he's beat better fighters. He has been on the end of a loss and fought the best out of his weight class.

Hatton got desperate and maybe a little frustrated with the way the ref handle his attempts to body shot. It was a case of risk getting put down and go for it, or lose on points. He made it easy for Mayweather to hit him.
 
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I don't think he has beaten the better fighters. The stand out names for Mayweather are

Hernandez
Corrales
Hernandez
Chavez
Castillo
Corley
Gatti
Judah
Hoya
Hatton
Marquez
Mosley

For Pacman:
MAB
JMM
Morales
Larios
Solis
Hoya
Hatton
Cotto

I reckon Mayweather's is the better record. What tips it in Pacquiao's favour for me is the way in which he's stepped up in weight as if it was nothing and destroyed good fighters.

jigger said:
I have no doubt in my mind Pacquiao is the better fighter. He was more convincing in the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and he's beat better fighters.
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This goes both ways though. Mayweather took down Marquez infinitely more convincingly than Pacquiao. You also mentioned that Mayweather has at times been rocked by guys not as good as Pacman. Well, this is true. But Pacman has at times been comfortably outboxed by boxers that don't have a scratch on PBF.

For the fight at hand, I think Pacquiao has the style to beat PBF if they were the same size. But as it is, I just can't see him overcoming all the physical advantages that PBF has.
 
jigger said:
The fights speak for themselves. IMO Pacquiao did a better job of winning than Maywaether did.

I have no doubt in my mind Pacquiao is the better fighter. He was more convincing in the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and he's beat better fighters. He has been on the end of a loss and fought the best out of his weight class.

Hatton got desperate and maybe a little frustrated with the way the ref handle his attempts to body shot. It was a case of risk getting put down and go for it, or lose on points. He made it easy for Mayweather to hit him.
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Mayweather is back up at No.1 at the pound for pound rankings. I think all experts agree, Pac-man only stands a 20 maybe 30 if he's lucky % chance of being able to beat Mayweather..

Only the pac fans disagree.
 
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Some great fighters on that list but most of them fights happened at the wrong weight or well past their best. On paper the names look great, but like I said dont focus on the names to much most of them didn't mean a lot.

Zab Juhdah is not that good although he did nearly KO Mayweather and had him on the run for big parts of the fight. Until big Roger jumped in and strangled him lol

Gatti old
Mosley old
Marquez Joke fight
 
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jigger said:
Some great fighters on that list but most of them fights happened at the wrong weight or well past their best. On paper the names look great, but like I said dont focus on the names to much most of them didn't mean a lot.

Zab Juhdah is not that good although he did nearly KO Mayweather and had him on the run for big parts of the fight. Until big Roger jumped in and strangled him lol

Gatti old
Mosley old
Marquez Joke fight
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Was Oscar old, Hatton old? Well ok Oscar was coming towards the end of his career, but Hatton was supposedly in his prime.. and Judah was very highly respected.. You know how it goes, once beat, never the same.. which is why he was never the same after the Mayweather beating.. Also you are not taking the 'complete dominance' of Mosley seriously.. Mosley was something special and look what happened to him... My opinion of Mayweather changed after seeing that.
 
jigger said:
Sorry I'll go into the weight situation in a little more detail. If you look back at over Pacquiao time he has always struggled with weight. Not being over but under weight, even now Pacquiao has a conditioning team literally following him around and force feeding him.
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True for higher weights. Definitely not true for the lighter weights at all. He was cutting to make weight in those divisions hence the huge amount of weight he GAINED AFTER the weigh in. When fighters have to eat to gain enough weight they most certainly do not add much weight after a weigh in

You saying Pacquiao has never faced anyone like him since needs no explaining really. Just take a look at who he has fought since then. He can adapt to anyone it more a case of fighters struggling with him.
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Do you know anything about boxing at all? It needs explaining. Explain to me why he didn't fight any slick counter punchers since being exposed by Marquez. It's a simple question, WHY? Why go after DAVID Diaz, the worst and most limited of all of the lightweights at that time. A Weight Drained De La Hoya who stands in the pocket. A come forward aggressive Cotto who most certainly is not slick and a brick of a man in Clottey who again is strong and not a slick boxer. Good names but none of them having a style to give him problems.

How did he adapt to those names? They are made for his come forward style. He didn't have to adapt at all to fight them. He only has to adapt and change his plan for slick counter punchers that can move and make him miss. Hence why he actively avoids them.

You seem to think Mayweather is untouchable, but he has been caught and rocked by many lesser fighters than Pacquiao.
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Where did I say Mayweather is untouchable? I gave a reason and fair opinion on both fighters saying which styles they don't handle well. If anything you are the typical Pac fan that thinks he can do no wrong and can't spot his flaws. I stated Mayweather struggles against brawlers (and he had a controversial win) or do you conveniently miss my two sided arguments?
 
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jigger said:
Some great fighters on that list but most of them fights happened at the wrong weight or well past their best. On paper the names look great, but like I said dont focus on the names to much most of them didn't mean a lot.

Zab Juhdah is not that good although he did nearly KO Mayweather and had him on the run for big parts of the fight. Until big Roger jumped in and strangled him lol

Gatti old
Mosley old
Marquez Joke fight
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Morales Old
Barrera Old
Diaz Joke fight
De La Hoya completely drained and old
Hatton shot

You can pick holes in both fighters careers as I have already stated. it seems to be you who can't have an unbiased opinion around here.
 
jigger said:
Zab Juhdah is not that good although he did nearly KO Mayweather and had him on the run for big parts of the fight. Until big Roger jumped in and strangled him lol
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It's interesting that you mention the Judah fight. That's the main reason that I give Pacquiao a decent chance against Mayweather. There's no denying that Zab's speed caused Mayweather a lot of problems early on, and he's not even that good. Pacquiao's got speed but he's also the complete package. He throws from a lot of angles, so there's definitely going to be a danger period while Mayweather tries to figure his man out. Giving Pac only a 20-30% chance as someone did is massively underestimating the threat that he poses imo.
 
Quick as he is, Judah has a completely different style to Pac, infact he's closer to Floyd in that respect. Pac is not the slick boxer some might make out, he is a come forward agressive fighter, but he's far from the complete package.

He's very good at getting the angles and working in quick flurries, however if he can't get in to make those flurries or gets nullifies when he does (look at mayweathers handling of Hattons work on the inside for this) then he'll struggle as he can't outbox Floyd. I dont think anyone currently fighting can.

If floyd catches Pac with a right hand like he hit Mosley its lights out, no question. I can also see him getting hit with some heavy jabs on his way in.

I think it'll be a great fight to watch, probably close for the first 3-4 rounds maybe, but I think Floyd will then start to dominate eventually stopping Pac in mid to late rounds (6-9).
 
StooM said:
If floyd catches Pac with a right hand like he hit Mosley its lights out, no question. I can also see him getting hit with some heavy jabs on his way in.
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The "no question" is certainly an overstatement. I have to agree that shots like that right hand will ask questions of Pac's chin if he gets hit with them. But it's far from certain what the outcome will be. He took some really heavy shots from a more than capable welterweight in Cotto whose KO ratio is a lot more impressive than Floyd's especially at welter. Pacquiao walked through those shots like he hadn't even noticed that he got hit.

As for Judah, their styles are indeed very different, but their speed is comparable, and it is that which caused Floyd difficulty.
 
It may be an overstatement, but until they fight, I'll stick with it.

The thing about Floyds shots is that he is unnerringly accurate, he will hit Pac with a lot of flush shots. Admittedly I havn't watched the pac/cotto fight since it happened, but I can't remember many full on shots that pac took, even if he did later on Cotto was blowing way too much to put anything behind them (pac was way to fast for a lumbering cotto).

I do remember some of the jabs Hatton took trying to get in close to Floyd and they almost took him off his feet at times, I think with the accuracy of Floyd and the aggressiveness of Pac that pac will have to go through some big shots to come close to winning this.

Not saying it isnt possible and if he can and wins, then all credit, he'll have earnt it, I just cant see him being able to handle the accuracy/Speed of Floyd which never seems to drop throughout the whole 12 rounds.

The speed of Judah did cause an issue for Floyd, but it was in a completely different style of fight - you can hardly say Mosley was slow until he tired and bar for the first 1.5 rounds (where you could argue the two fighters are testing the water and working out their opponents), Floyd manhandled him and made him look silly - and this was a big, strong, quick boxer.
 
Smit.

Mayweather wont fight Pacquiao because he knows what he will get.

Pound for pound best, Yeah OK. When he steps up and takes some hard fights maybe.
 
jigger said:
Smit.

Mayweather wont fight Pacquiao because he knows what he will get.

Pound for pound best, Yeah OK. When he steps up and takes some hard fights maybe.
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You dont seriously believe that this fight wont happen surely? All i see if mayweather playing the game to strengthen his negotiating position and get the bigger cut which imo at this moment in time he deserves.

Floyds last 2 fights have been against top p4p fighters so you can hardly say he hasnt stepped up to hard fights. beyond that, his fights pretty much mimic Pac's so that seems an unfair statement to make. Pac pulled out of the Mayweather fight and fought clottey, mayweather went for Mosley, who took the easiest option there? :)
 
I've stood up and defended Floyd in this thread, but it's absolutely true that Floyd's fights in the last 5 years have been pretty pathetic. Gatti, Judah, Mitchell, Baldomir, Hatton, JMM were all well below what a p4p fighter should have been facing, especially considering the extremely high level of competition that existed at 147 during those years. DLH and Mosley were definitely better fights, but nothing to get too excited about, given what stage those two guys were in their careers. Not that I'm criticising those two fights - DLH was still a threat at that weight and Mosley was the best guy out there at the time (other than pac) - but they still weren't special. You certainly can't point to mayweather's last two fights to show that he will step up to hard fights. JMM isn't a hard fight for anyone half-decent at 147, let alone a hard fight for Mayweather.
 
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this fight can't come soon enough and when/if it happens i really don't know who i would want to win.
im split 50/50 on this one....first time in my life!
 
StooM said:
You dont seriously believe that this fight wont happen surely? All i see if mayweather playing the game to strengthen his negotiating position and get the bigger cut which imo at this moment in time he deserves.

Floyds last 2 fights have been against top p4p fighters so you can hardly say he hasnt stepped up to hard fights. beyond that, his fights pretty much mimic Pac's so that seems an unfair statement to make. Pac pulled out of the Mayweather fight and fought clottey, mayweather went for Mosley, who took the easiest option there? :)
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Mosley was a past it 40 year old thats slighty punch drunk.

Clottey is a huge welter with a solid defense in his prime.
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Clottey just before the fight. How the hell he come in at welter is beyond me. He's ******* massive !
 
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In an article at Examiner.com, Floyd Mayweather Jr. dropped a huge hint that he’ll be facing Manny Pacquiao at the end of the year after all. Rapper 50 Cent was being interviewed, and he said his album will be put out at the end of the year “around the same time frame of the biggest fight in boxing history.” Mayweather quickly cut in, saying “the biggest in the history of the sport.” If that’s not a huge hint that Mayweather will be fighting Pacquiao then I don’t know what is.

hmmm


 
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