Mayweather Vs Pacquiao is ON !!!!!

What a pair of ***** ive already booked my flights and accomodation for that weekend. Oh well gambling and drinking it is then :p

Bah don't worry, you'll get a fight of some kind that weekend.. I reckon your luck will be in for a Mayweather vs Mallinaggi or Pac-Man vs Foreman.... Mind you neither will be a case of "I'll wonder who'll win".. But i'd still go.. Even if it's just for the atmosphere.

Just got back from there myself.. You'll have a blast and a half !

Enjoy.
 
Just in from Floyd Mayweather (from boxingscene.com)

Throughout this whole process I have remained patient, but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them. First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass. Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected. I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests. In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smokescreens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight.

14day.. come on Pac-man has to be hiding something.. Little tike he is !
 
Olympic testing is not the norm in the sport, so asking for it knowing the other guy has a problem is more suspicious.
 
Olympic testing is not the norm in the sport, so asking for it knowing the other guy has a problem is more suspicious.

What kind of problems?

Scared of needles - He has tattoos and got a new one a few weeks back
Doesn't like blood within 30 days of a fight - Had it taken against Morales (1st time) and also against Hatton

Doesn't like a drug test through blood? - Possible since it doesn't get done in boxing. His blood tests for Hatton anyway was a standard HIV/Hepatitis test and not a drugs test (not sure about what kind of test it was with Morales)
 
Maybe as he said it interferes with his prep. And Mayweather is a bigger challenge and so wants to be prepared?
 
Maybe as he said it interferes with his prep. And Mayweather is a bigger challenge and so wants to be prepared?

That's an excuse, not a problem.
Both fighters would have the same thing.

The only legitimate problems are if he was genuinely scared of needles (he isn't although his team originally said he was until it was pointed out he has numerous tattoos), then they said he was scared of blood tests within 30 days of a fight (until it was pointed out that he had them within 30 days when facing Morales and Hatton), now it's they don't want random drug testing close to a fight, compromise was no blood tests within 14 days of the fight, but they couldn't agree on it.
 
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What would be nice is to hear from an expert on blood testing and drugs.. How long do performance enhancing drugs actually stay in the system for.. Pacquaio's team are demanding 24days before the fight and immediately after.. Mayweather wants 14days..

I can't seriously believe that 14days isn't enough to recover from any slight dizzy spells you may have and i do not believe that someone is that scared of needles when it comes to that kind of money.. Also there was mention of what penatlies would there be if the tests came up dirty.

It's all becomming a peeing contest right now on who said what and who's the blame...

This can only be settled with some drug testing experts opinion.
 
What would be nice is to hear from an expert on blood testing and drugs.. How long do performance enhancing drugs actually stay in the system for.. Pacquaio's team are demanding 24days before the fight and immediately after.. Mayweather wants 14days..

This can only be settled with some drug testing experts opinion.

Plenty of opinions going around the web with conflicting reports of how good urine testing is.
Apparently (and I have heard nothing that conflicts with this) some performance enhancers such as HGH can be undetectable in your system within a couple of days. EPO supposedly becomes undetectable in less than 24 hours.

Pac is lining up a fight against Clottey. Seems pretty pointless IMO but at least it's a live fight since Clottey is quite a big Welterweight. Too easy to hit though.
 
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Plenty of opinions going around the web with conflicting reports of how good urine testing is.
Apparently (and I have heard nothing that conflicts with this) some performance enhancers such as HGH can be undetectable in your system within a couple of days. EPO supposedly becomes undetectable in less than 24 hours.

Pac is lining up a fight against Clottey. Seems pretty pointless IMO but at least it's a live fight since Clottey is quite a big Welterweight. Too easy to hit though.

I'm sure I read Pac was looking to fight a title holder at 154 to set a new record.
 
What would be nice is to hear from an expert on blood testing and drugs.. How long do performance enhancing drugs actually stay in the system for.. Pacquaio's team are demanding 24days before the fight and immediately after.. Mayweather wants 14days..

I can't seriously believe that 14days isn't enough to recover from any slight dizzy spells you may have and i do not believe that someone is that scared of needles when it comes to that kind of money.. Also there was mention of what penatlies would there be if the tests came up dirty.

It's all becomming a peeing contest right now on who said what and who's the blame...

This can only be settled with some drug testing experts opinion.

Ok lets say it's not just PR....

These guys have big ego's. Pac probably doesn't want to have to jump through hoops just to fight Mayweather.
If manny is squeamish of needless/blood then it's a very valid reason not to do it. It would hurt his training, which would hurt his confidence which performance in the ring.
 
Ok lets say it's not just PR....

These guys have big ego's. Pac probably doesn't want to have to jump through hoops just to fight Mayweather.
If manny is squeamish of needless/blood then it's a very valid reason not to do it. It would hurt his training, which would hurt his confidence which performance in the ring.

he has tattoos and has had blood taken prior to a fight before, read some of the previous posts.

scared of needles was what they said at first, but then realised this excuse didnt work due to him having gone through needle treatment on plenty of occasions even so recently have a new tattoo done.

scared of a needle, haha what a joke of an excuse for a guy that goes into the ring to have punches thrown at himself. i doubt a needle even feels like a pin ***** to pac man in comparison to some of the punches hes taken in fights.
 
AS said, he can't be that scared of needles if he gets tattoo's and has had blood taken for previous fights, infact he's had no problem as long as the blood tests weren't for drug testing which is incredibly suspicous to be honest.

Asking for blood testing is not suspicious, you think the other guy might be cheating, you ask for the testing, your entire reputation is resting on the very biggest fight of your career, you're going to retire after this fight as the single greatest pound for pound fighter ever, or 2nd, its a BIG difference, you wouldn't want the other guy tested properly, I certainly would.

As has seemingly been said, theres been a very big comprimise by Mayweather, and Pacman still refused.

As for effecting training, being scared of a needle(which doesn't seem true anyway) wouldn't effect your training, nor would taking one small vial of blood. we're not talking about a pint of blood for donation that after you might be dizzy from, you're talking about a ridiculously small amount.

Now unless you think Mayweathers been training his body to recoup a tiny amount of blood faster than his opponent(how do you train bonemarrow?) then whatever miniscule and stupid effect it might possibly have, would be an equal disadvantage to both fighters.

Theres two things here, its pure PR to introduce more "hate" between the fighters, one huge part of the income from a fight night like this is box office, the other is how much the betting world makes, Vegas and other places rake in millions and millions on bets for big fights. The thing is, the more one personality irritates you, the more likely you are to want to pay to watch him being beaten, or put a bet down on the other guy whipping his ass.

The other possibility is Pacman really does have an issue with blood being taken at a certain stage, and you have to question the reason...... its not fear of needles.

Unfortunately blood doping, cheating, performance enhancing drugs can be hidden, people are spending millions a year on research for new drugs and new ways to hide them.

Too many past champions in all kinds of sports end up being known as cheats but way after the fact, sprinters, boxers, American footballers, baseball players, basketball players I think have been found out/admitted it years after they quit.


As someone else said, Margarito cheated in a ridiculous obvious way right under everyones noses, potentially for years without being caught, purely because no one actually looked for it. Lots of boxers could have been cheating easily for years because no ones actually testing blood, would anyone possibly question it if Mayweather was now asking for gloves/wrapping to be triple checked before the fight, no, because there's a precedent. So would it be fine for Mayweather to ask for blood testing if someone came out in the past year, ex boxer saying he was cheating the whole time but no one tested his blood? No, everyone would say its fine and it would probably become standard.

Mayweather really isn't asking for much at all, and Pacman is looking increasingly suspicious.
 
Seems Pacquaio is now gonna be fighting Clottey instead. Has Clottey ever been stopped? He looked the better fighter when he fought Cotto except he would just stop throwing punches which cost him in the end.

I think this will be one hell of a tough fight for Pacquiao. If you have never seen Clottey fight, he is one of them dangerous fighters that most boxers would prefer to avoid really. So it seems again Pacquaio will be facing a big strong welterweight.

At this rate I can see him facing the winner or Mosley - Berto.
 
AS said, he can't be that scared of needles if he gets tattoo's and has had blood taken for previous fights, infact he's had no problem as long as the blood tests weren't for drug testing which is incredibly suspicous to be honest.

Asking for blood testing is not suspicious, you think the other guy might be cheating, you ask for the testing, your entire reputation is resting on the very biggest fight of your career, you're going to retire after this fight as the single greatest pound for pound fighter ever, or 2nd, its a BIG difference, you wouldn't want the other guy tested properly, I certainly would.

As has seemingly been said, theres been a very big comprimise by Mayweather, and Pacman still refused.

As for effecting training, being scared of a needle(which doesn't seem true anyway) wouldn't effect your training, nor would taking one small vial of blood. we're not talking about a pint of blood for donation that after you might be dizzy from, you're talking about a ridiculously small amount.

Now unless you think Mayweathers been training his body to recoup a tiny amount of blood faster than his opponent(how do you train bonemarrow?) then whatever miniscule and stupid effect it might possibly have, would be an equal disadvantage to both fighters.

Theres two things here, its pure PR to introduce more "hate" between the fighters, one huge part of the income from a fight night like this is box office, the other is how much the betting world makes, Vegas and other places rake in millions and millions on bets for big fights. The thing is, the more one personality irritates you, the more likely you are to want to pay to watch him being beaten, or put a bet down on the other guy whipping his ass.

The other possibility is Pacman really does have an issue with blood being taken at a certain stage, and you have to question the reason...... its not fear of needles.

Unfortunately blood doping, cheating, performance enhancing drugs can be hidden, people are spending millions a year on research for new drugs and new ways to hide them.

Too many past champions in all kinds of sports end up being known as cheats but way after the fact, sprinters, boxers, American footballers, baseball players, basketball players I think have been found out/admitted it years after they quit.


As someone else said, Margarito cheated in a ridiculous obvious way right under everyones noses, potentially for years without being caught, purely because no one actually looked for it. Lots of boxers could have been cheating easily for years because no ones actually testing blood, would anyone possibly question it if Mayweather was now asking for gloves/wrapping to be triple checked before the fight, no, because there's a precedent. So would it be fine for Mayweather to ask for blood testing if someone came out in the past year, ex boxer saying he was cheating the whole time but no one tested his blood? No, everyone would say its fine and it would probably become standard.

Mayweather really isn't asking for much at all, and Pacman is looking increasingly suspicious.

Very well said.. Also a well respected boxing reporter mentioned that pacquaio's team also negotiated the penatly on what would happen if a test came up dirty. (all under a gag restraint) so if it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck........ it is a ???......
 
Seems Pacquaio is now gonna be fighting Clottey instead. Has Clottey ever been stopped? He looked the better fighter when he fought Cotto except he would just stop throwing punches which cost him in the end.

I think this will be one hell of a tough fight for Pacquiao. If you have never seen Clottey fight, he is one of them dangerous fighters that most boxers would prefer to avoid really. So it seems again Pacquaio will be facing a big strong welterweight.

At this rate I can see him facing the winner or Mosley - Berto.

Never stopped but was down against Cotto.

Would have preferred him to fight Foreman rather than Clottey. Clottey fights well in spurts but then does absolute nothing for minutes per round. Too easy to hit too and doesn't actually hit that hard.

Mayweather will most likely fight Berto, if Berto beats Mosley.

EDIT - GBP has stated that Mayweather will fight Malignaggi and then Mosley (I assume that is based on Mosley actually winning)
 
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